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Shooting Tips - Practice Shooting Fast and Accurately
- Thread starter BartsBullets
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arkcomatt
Matt Owens
I can't hardly load and shoot this fast! Let alone aim while doing it.
I've worked with Bart and he is a master with his technique. He can coach you on the smallest things that most of us never notice or even realize. Under one such session, he asked me if i was pushing the gun up with my shoulder? I said I was. He said "are you?" He gave me that look. That look that told me I was doing it wrong. I really was not, but thought I was. Turns out I was pushing forward with my thumb on the bolt, then opening it. In my head I was doing it correct though. His eye could catch it though. Still working on perfecting it.
I've worked with Bart and he is a master with his technique. He can coach you on the smallest things that most of us never notice or even realize. Under one such session, he asked me if i was pushing the gun up with my shoulder? I said I was. He said "are you?" He gave me that look. That look that told me I was doing it wrong. I really was not, but thought I was. Turns out I was pushing forward with my thumb on the bolt, then opening it. In my head I was doing it correct though. His eye could catch it though. Still working on perfecting it.
Shooter13
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When I first got my 30BR I just came off a 6PPC and did the same thing! Dang! Free recoil my butt! I may try it again but guarantee my shoulder will only be mm off the stock on that 30BR!
dogdude
Egan O'Brien
I got too Practice Fast yesterday with a fire form barrel too blow out virgin brass ! H/G, WSM with a Shurefeed set up next to the port..6 ten shot strings averaged 25 seconds per. Most fun I've had at my range in awhile, no worrying about heating up the barrel or cleaning..14 strings too go..yeeha!
Several of the Top short range guys shoot a right/right. To include Tony Boyer. It’s just as fast as a left port/right eject. The biggest problem I see with the right /right is shooters tend to come out of position (getting shoulder over the back of the stock) when reaching for ammo.
The technique is basically the same. With a right bolt right port right eject your left hand can stay on the aiming stick. While your right hand opens the bolt, picks up a round, closes the bolt. Learn to do all of that without having to look for the ammo or bolt.
Bart
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That all sounds good but I never say a condition last for 10 shots, you better be looking at the flags.... jim
Jim,
This is a gun-handling thread not a flag reading thread. This technique works whether you’re shooting fast or slow. Its an excellent way to work on bench manners as well handling the gun. Conditions dictate how you shoot! Sometimes you run them, other times you’ve got to pick, occasionally you have to hit the breaks. Just depends! But it’s doesn’t hurt to have that extra gear when you need it.
As for will it work for 10 shots...came in second HG group at the 1000 yard Nationals.
There were only 3 targets shot in HG that were smaller than my 4.4! So it can work.
As you know I’m a big fan of flags! Been shooting over them for nearly 30 years. Had lots of people tell me they don’t work for long range. I don’t hear that nearly as much anymore.
Bart
That's just hilarious. I too find it easier to shoot without flags! It's so much easier to blame your equipment when you've got no flags ruining the story that you tell yourself and others about all those "flyers".
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
or the one i like most- waterline
Alex Wheeler
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The butt is hitting the wrong place on your shoulder. Change your position behind the rifle until it tracks straight.
Check out what Alex is saying. It’s excellent advice.
Also make sure you’re not pushing on the bag with your shoulder /chest. I like about an inch of the stock to stick out behind the rear bag to keep me from moving the bag.
Bart
One thing I'll add, is AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE keep your head in the same exact spot behind the scope. Keeping your head down in position is good, but you really need to not vary in your view through the scope.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
The correctly fitted die and good action coupled with a properly set up rest system
I'd clarify that the good action is actually having perfect trigger and extraction timing. If the bolt is cocking on close and the extraction camming is out of sync on opening, even a BAT or Borden or Kelby will cycle really poorly.
jackieschmidt
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I guess I can add something to this rather old thread since it has been resurrected.
Bart and Billy were watching me shoot at the now defunct Rachel’s Glenn range in Alabama some years back. Both said it was painful to watch.
No fancy rest, just an old Hart with a home made windage top. A rear bag that was used when I bought it. (I still use it).
I never have and still do not shoot fast. I can if the need arises, but I usually watch the flags and pick the condition.
Sometimes this works quite well, sometimes not. But, I did discover that in 100-200 yard score, learning how to take your time and watch every little nuance in the condition is a big plus. Since you are having to move the Rifle from target to target, all sorts of gremlins can appear. I tend to treat each bulls eye as an individual match.
I am now a better score shooter than group shooter, mainly because in my area, we shoot a lot of score. I approach score different than group. I shoot my 30 BR free recoil. At Heavy Varmint weight, it is not that bad.
One thing that I believe is extremely important in score is to avoid what I call a horizontal tune. That is when the rifle is shooting flat, but any little change what so ever pushes the bullet to the left or right off of the X. If you can’t see what did it, you are in a horizontal tune.
This is where a tuner really comes in. You can do an ever so slight adjustment, get the rifle shooting round holes again, and hit X’s.
In group, you will see shooters stringing 1 inch straight across flat groups at 200 yards, and some one will say......”at least it’s in tune”
The truth is, it’s not. My rule is, if you can’t see what caused the bullet to go where it went, then the tune ain’t right.
Bart and Billy were watching me shoot at the now defunct Rachel’s Glenn range in Alabama some years back. Both said it was painful to watch.
No fancy rest, just an old Hart with a home made windage top. A rear bag that was used when I bought it. (I still use it).
I never have and still do not shoot fast. I can if the need arises, but I usually watch the flags and pick the condition.
Sometimes this works quite well, sometimes not. But, I did discover that in 100-200 yard score, learning how to take your time and watch every little nuance in the condition is a big plus. Since you are having to move the Rifle from target to target, all sorts of gremlins can appear. I tend to treat each bulls eye as an individual match.
I am now a better score shooter than group shooter, mainly because in my area, we shoot a lot of score. I approach score different than group. I shoot my 30 BR free recoil. At Heavy Varmint weight, it is not that bad.
One thing that I believe is extremely important in score is to avoid what I call a horizontal tune. That is when the rifle is shooting flat, but any little change what so ever pushes the bullet to the left or right off of the X. If you can’t see what did it, you are in a horizontal tune.
This is where a tuner really comes in. You can do an ever so slight adjustment, get the rifle shooting round holes again, and hit X’s.
In group, you will see shooters stringing 1 inch straight across flat groups at 200 yards, and some one will say......”at least it’s in tune”
The truth is, it’s not. My rule is, if you can’t see what caused the bullet to go where it went, then the tune ain’t right.
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