Shooting at distance without 20MOA base.

[mousegunner]

I'm turning my .308 40X NRA rifle into a tactical rifle but nothing too fancy most shots will be around 600 some may be to 1000. I was given a Bushnell Elite and looks like it has 38 minutes of elevation by the 1/4 minute clicks that I counted. I bought a 20 MOA base with medium rings but seems to sit high and I don't like the cheek weld I get. What would be the best I could do shooting distance wise if I went with a regular base to help bring down the scope height? The medium rings seem o.k. although I'm thinking of going to low rings also. I'm going to put this in a Rem laminated stock and also thinking of a stick on pad to raise the cheek weld since the comb is not adjustable.

 

[eric32]

You can tryout the Burris Signature Zee rings with the inserts to add some more elevation to your scope

 

[nosualc]

Most, if not all of the 308 F-T/R shooters I know need that 20MOA rail (or more) to get to 1000 yds.

Try lower rings, build up the cheek on the stock, or get a stock with an adjustable cheek.

The Burris rings as mentioned would be an alternative to a rail.

-nosualc

 

[Comrade Terry]

You might want to look at a Bradley Cheek Rest http://bradleycheekrest.com/

I have one on a Remington 700, and it works quite well.

 

[M-61]

The lower rings....sure. As far as a 0 moa vs. 20 moa base I don't see that the small amount involved would really make any difference in cheek weld, it to me seems too little to matter much. I think I read your post correctly.....you want the scope lower and the lower rings will do that.
The base....at least not to me.

 

[Lapua40X]

Most, if not all of the 308 F-T/R shooters I know need that 20MOA rail (or more) to get to 1000 yds.
Try lower rings, build up the cheek on the stock, or get a stock with an adjustable cheek.
The Burris rings as mentioned would be an alternative to a rail.

-nosualc

I agree, at least in part. I shoot a .284 out to 1K and I installed low mounts (just enough so the objective bell clears the barrel) with a 20MOA rail and used the Burris Signature Ring Pos-Align Offset Inserts. Admittedly, it's a bit of overkill but the degree of flexibility in scope alignment is incredible.

 

[leadburner]

Several years back I had a 308 with a 0 moa rail on it. Mounted a NF 8x32 NXS on it. The elevation turret top out at exactly 700 yards. May not help much just my experience. Good luck.

 

[watercam]

To reach 1000 yds. from a 200 yd. zero you will need an additional 25-30 moa give or take. Since a 200 yd. zero is approximately mid-range on a scope with a flat base, you would need something on the order of 60 moa of total elevation adjustment without the 20 moa base (or Zee Rings). The base is worth it, build up your cheek piece or get a scope with a reticle with markings to get you to 1000 without adjustment.

 

[broncman]

I built a rifle for practice around a R 700 AAC-SD. While not for 1000yards, I needed a base with some built in elevation. I had a one piece base and installed some shim stock under the rear to get where I wanted. Then I waxed the reciever and epoxied the base to completely bed it to the action and fill the gap. Then once dried, popped it off, cleaned it up and now have a custom windage base. Now I can fully torque it down and it has worked great. My scope is now dead center of my elevation. Took a little trial and error to get the right thickness of shim before i bedded it to make it permanant.

Way cheaper than a new set of rings and base. The Zee's with inserts are awesome though.

 

[dickn52]

The cost of all this is probably more than a 20moa rail.

 

[savagedasher]

The scope objective size and barrel taper will tell you where you can go. Larry

 

[Dgd6mm]

What medium rings do you have? They can very in height from manufacturer to manufacturer. You really only need a set of rings that will allow your objective bell to clear the barrel. With that being said, this has cheek piece written all over it. If this rifle is going to do double duty and be used in Tac matches you may prefer a stock pack. I like them, they come in handy.

 

[mac86951]

You could do what the military has done for a long time and use Mil-dots/markings to shoot at 1K.

-Mac

 

[Tempest]

Get yourself some stainless feeler gauges and make a shim for under the rear of the scope base. You can do the math for fun if you want (it's a long trig equation and based on your length of base) but it "generally" pretty close to 1 MOA for every .001" of shim.

That would be the cheapest/quickest way to get there.

 

[Lesloan]

You can get 40 MOA of elevation from the Burris Signature rings & 2 sets of +/- .020" inserts. Put the +.020" in the bottom of the rear ring, the -.020" in the top, then reverse this for the front ring. If you use Signature Zee rings on a 20 MOA base and this combination of inserts, you can get +60 MOA depending on how far apart your rings are. That oughtta be enuff.

 

[mousegunner]

So far looks like the Burris rings might work for me but do they fit on a Picatinny rail? I already have a 2 piece weaver base set on hand I could use since sometimes it seems like the Picatinny and Weaver do not interchange.

 

[Lesloan]

Burris Signature Zee rings are made to fit Weaver bases, which means they'll also fit Picatinny rails and bases. So the answer to your question is "yes."

Just be sure to get the "Zee" rings. There are other kinds of Signature rings, too, and they will not fit a Picatinny rail.

 

[fdshuster]

I have numerous sets of Burris Signature Zee rings mounted on EGW 0 and 20 moa one piece bases. They fit like they were made for them. Same rings fit perfectly on my Bat and Panda Picatinney bases.

 

[Drop Port]

I'm turning my .308 40X NRA rifle into a tactical rifle but nothing too fancy most shots will be around 600 some may be to 1000. I was given a Bushnell Elite and looks like it has 38 minutes of elevation by the 1/4 minute clicks that I counted. I bought a 20 MOA base with medium rings but seems to sit high and I don't like the cheek weld I get. What would be the best I could do shooting distance wise if I went with a regular base to help bring down the scope height? The medium rings seem o.k. although I'm thinking of going to low rings also. I'm going to put this in a Rem laminated stock and also thinking of a stick on pad to raise the cheek weld since the comb is not adjustable.

The Elite 3200's have 50 MOA
1st you need to see what your scope has if it is 38 MOA get rid of it most 308s will take 38-40 MOA to get you 1K

2nd there is no reason you can't get your scope down on the barrel with a 20 MOA base. Some like a Ferrell will sit high but a Badger Ordnance are thin, with Badger, NF or Seekins rings you can get it as low as you want it.

 

[mousegunner]

Just got a set of Burris Zee rings with the inserts. I'm going to order the off set inserts and see how much elevation that will give me. I'm going to use a 2 piece base and figure I can shim the rear if I need more elevation. The rings are nice, I only wish they made a tactical type with 4 screws on each ring and a different way of mounting to the base more like other tactical type rings. Thanks to the forum member that sold me these .