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Shipping tips.

carlsbad

Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
I spent years in the collectible coins business. Nobody is more into safe shipping than coin collectors. Many coins are indeed irreplaceable. It was not unusual for me to ship several packages over $10K value per week. Over several years I shipped about 20,000 domestic packages without a single lost/damaged item.

For super expensive shipments I used a jewelry shipper. All packages were marked very blandly. For all you could tell from the outside it was a box of office supplies. Insurance was taken care of by the shipping company but wasn't marked on the package. Insurance stickers tell thieves that something valuable is in the package.

For less expensive packages (less than $2k), I NEVER purchased insurance. The coin forums are full of people complaining about all the trouble it takes to make a claim from USPS insurance. Additionally, USPS insurance is very overpriced for 2 reasons: fraud and poor packaging. The former explains why it is a huge PITA to make a claim. That and dealing with a governmental agency.

I recently bought 1000 bullets, 10 x 100 round boxes, from a forum member. The box arrived broken and 4 boxes of bullets missing. The seller had insured it and he was forced to make an insurance claim. What I didn't realize was that I had to go stand in line at the PO and start the claim for him. This made me very unhappy but I'm a good guy and did it. What if I was not such a good guy and refused to do so? It took 4 months to resolve this. I was patient and the seller was persistent. My money was tied up for a while but I take it was a real nightmare for the seller.

Here are my tips:

1. Package very, very well. Don't leave open spaces in a box with heavy things. Don't use crush-able packaging such as peanuts or bags that can pop. Cram newspapers or other dense material into open spaces. Use flat rate boxes so that weight isn't a factor. When you think you have enough tape, put another layer on. Tape=insurance.
2. Use zebra striped labels whenever possible. I print mine on paypal shipping but many other services offer print-at-home zebra labels. when they have a machine readable address, they don't lose many.
3. Don't buy insurance. It costs too much and is a nightmare to collect on. If you feel compelled to buy insurance, put $3/100 in value in a jar and watch it grow. Soon you'll have plenty of money in the jar to pay for a loss (which you won't have if you package well). [This assumes in the unlikely event of a loss you can afford to replace the item if lost. If you can't afford it, then the analysis might change. But shooting is expensive so I think the audience here is not indigent.]

Lastly, insurance protects the seller, not the buyer. This is the law, not my opinion. Sellers who make insurance the buyer's choice are fooling themselves. A seller's responsibility ends when the package is delivered and the buyer is satisfied. If lost in transit, no matter when the insurance arrangement, the seller is responsible.

Jerry
 
2" fiberglass tape is your best friend, no kidding.

I have never had an issue with heavy packages when using this tape, and best to put on several layers on the corners where heavy object are apt to split the box.

This stuff is inexpensive to buy on ebay but would cost you $11-13 per roll if you tried to buy it locally:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130955438923?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I make a solid cocoon out of a heavy box, and put several layers on the ends of the boxes where a heavy object may come through the end of the box as the load shifts within the box. Those temp employees that are working at the post office throw packages like footballs at times.

Now, I have an idiot for a postal carrier, she even delivered a priority mail package to the wrong address...then you have to go "signature required".
 
The last gun I bought here made it thru by the skin of it's teeth. Shipped in a plastic gun case. Shipping labels stuck to the outside of the gun case.:eek::eek::eek:
The case had 4 clasps. Three broke off during shipping. Only one remaining when I opened it at the FFL . :confused::confused::confused: Not even one wrap of tape to hold it together. Mercifully, the gun was OK. Shoots great, too.
 
I forgot to mention that when I went in to file the insurance claim they took the 600 bullets that were delivered and held them while they evaluated the claim. Took 4 months to get them back. --Jerry
 
Always put in the package/box, complete mailing addresses of both parties. If possible I always write addresses on the package, not on labels. If I have to use a self-sticking label I always cover the label with clear tape before I mail.
 
Thought I'd share this story. A guy bought a walnut stock from me. Packaged it up very good.
Mailed it usps with a tracking number. The guy lived in NC. Five days went by & I checked
to see if it was delivered. The usps tracking number said it was undeliverable. This was sold on Ebay by the way. When I checked the tracking # on eBay, it said, package delivered. Called
the buyer & he said he did not get it. Long story short; We went back & forth for 3 months calling 3 post offices it could have went to only to find nothing. Finally I wrote a letter to the postmaster at the po i thought it should have went. I got a call about a wk later from that po asking me to describe the package. Here they had the package & told me they had held it back because it was leaking an unknown fluid. I then told them, "It is a piece of wood. I cannot leak." The man said, can i open it & see? I said sure. I heard him opening the package & he said, yes it is a rifle stock. He packaged it up & sent it to the buyer. Thankfully the buyer was a very patient man & I kept him informed every couple days. Now i use ups for all boxes. No usps, just for mail. I thought that stock was gone for good.
 
Having had several companies that shipped a lot of product by UPS, Fed EX and USPS, I agree with the original poster's recommendations to pack securely. It really doesn't make any difference how badly the packages are handled by the shipping agent, it's going to be your responsibility if it doesn't get to the customer undamaged.

Pack tightly, SHAKE package violently, if you can hear something move....... repack it.
 
For less expensive packages (less than $2k), I NEVER purchased insurance. The coin forums are full of people complaining about all the trouble it takes to make a claim from USPS insurance. Additionally, USPS insurance is very overpriced for 2 reasons: fraud and poor packaging. The former explains why it is a huge PITA to make a claim. That and dealing with a governmental agency.

3. Don't buy insurance. It costs too much and is a nightmare to collect on. If you feel compelled to buy insurance, put $3/100 in value in a jar and watch it grow. Soon you'll have plenty of money in the jar to pay for a loss (which you won't have if you package well). [This assumes in the unlikely event of a loss you can afford to replace the item if lost. If you can't afford it, then the analysis might change. But shooting is expensive so I think the audience here is not indigent.]

Lastly, insurance protects the seller, not the buyer. This is the law, not my opinion. Sellers who make insurance the buyer's choice are fooling themselves. A seller's responsibility ends when the package is delivered and the buyer is satisfied. If lost in transit, no matter when the insurance arrangement, the seller is responsible.

Jerry

I agree, and wish I had known this sooner. I bought a Farley rest from someone on the other side of the country, it arrived in pieces, broken pieces, box destroyed, tape shredded. The seller and I pursued the insurance claim to no avail. Every time we appealed the post office's decision they had another reason why the claim would not be honored.
 
Packaging well is the main thing, there is no such thing as over packaging an item. As noted before, tape is your friend, tape around the package from every side 360 degrees. One other thing to consider, USPS is not even close to being your best option on an expensive item. Fed Ex Grd is by far the best option. 99.9% on time. Sometimes it will cost less than USPS if it's going any distance. It is also trackable which USPS is not. They claim it is but Fed Ex knows what terminal/truck your package is on 100% of the time. I would never ship a firearm thru USPS, ever. Also as previously stated, PLAIN boxing is your friend, brown in this case is your friend. Never, ever mark the box as a firearm, some anti might run it over just to spite you.
 
The folks at USPS are IDIOTS!! Shipped a package to WI. Priority Mail Flat Rate Box about a month ago. Got there, NO PROBLEM.
Sent another package on Friday. Went to be delivered today and "Your item was undeliverable as addressed". HUH??? Same place as last time. My guess is the folks at USPS DON'T have to be able to read and write to get a job there.
Looks like I'll have to wait and see just what the IDIOTS have to say about it.
Something about "returning it to me" was mentioned?? Damn I hate STUPID people!!
And they wonder why USPS isn't making any money???:rolleyes:
 
The folks at USPS are IDIOTS!! Shipped a package to WI. Priority Mail Flat Rate Box about a month ago. Got there, NO PROBLEM.
Sent another package on Friday. Went to be delivered today and "Your item was undeliverable as addressed". HUH??? Same place as last time. My guess is the folks at USPS DON'T have to be able to read and write to get a job there.
Looks like I'll have to wait and see just what the IDIOTS have to say about it.
Something about "returning it to me" was mentioned?? Damn I hate STUPID people!!
And they wonder why USPS isn't making any money???:rolleyes:

Mike, See tip 2. It works. --Jerry
 

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