Shipping parts internationally
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DennisH
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I remembering reading an article one time. It seems the paperwork and "fees" almost makes it impossible. I think the fee was over a $100, no matter if you shipped one barrel or 50.
Again, It seems like this is what I remember reading about it.
Dennis
Maybe someone will chime in with the exact details.
Again, It seems like this is what I remember reading about it.
Dennis
Maybe someone will chime in with the exact details.
I would ask them for the address of their exporter. i would put it on the buyer to export out of the country.
dlmx_621 said:
Do yourself a favor and sell it locally, i.e. in the USA. After you deal with the shipping and customs, you still might find yourself getting a customs bill from someplace, let alone trying to deal with the funds that you receive -- unless it's wired directly to your bank or drawn on a US bank.
I would never ship internationally again, and that doesn't even take into account the potential hassle with "gun parts". I have nothing against international buyers. I LOVE to travel, and the people in other parts of the world are a delight. But the bureaucracy and hassle involved in this sort of thing is RIDICULOUS.
I bought a handcraft from Barbados for $75. Packaging cost $15. Shipping/customs cost $125, and wasn't assessed until the package was delivered.
International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) makes it very difficult to ship gun parts to any place outside the USA. The post office does not know anything or knows very little about ITAR, the state department is the onlt agency that can make decisions and grant export licenses for gun parts. You do need an export license and applying for one is a long and onerous process, I worked on quite a few. There are a number of firearm-related businesses that do export work and they may be able to help you out, for a fee.
Remember the rules due not need to make sense, they are federal. That whole $10,000 and 10 years makes them rules to follow. For a while I had an export violation for something that was completely out of hands and made no sense at all, luckily I worked for a very large defense contractor so they were able to get that settled without any violation. I would not have wanted to either pay the legal fees nor the 10 & 10 for that trivial case.
wade
Remember the rules due not need to make sense, they are federal. That whole $10,000 and 10 years makes them rules to follow. For a while I had an export violation for something that was completely out of hands and made no sense at all, luckily I worked for a very large defense contractor so they were able to get that settled without any violation. I would not have wanted to either pay the legal fees nor the 10 & 10 for that trivial case.
wade
ITAR does not have any different provisions for what method of transport the EXPORT is made by. Export is the transfer of an object from one country to another, sending a barrel to Norway is clearly an export. The money you are charged is for the export license.
Remember the laws do not have to make sense all they need is teeth.
Why believe me or anyone else on the internet? Wait until the election is over and contact your congressperson, ask them for the name and number of someone at the state department who deals with ITAR applications.
Between the cost of the license and hassle the barrel may have more value to you as a tomato stake then to export it. Find a US buyer and let them buy it, if you have to sell it for $100 less you are probably saving money in the long run.
Remember the laws do not have to make sense all they need is teeth.
Why believe me or anyone else on the internet? Wait until the election is over and contact your congressperson, ask them for the name and number of someone at the state department who deals with ITAR applications.
Between the cost of the license and hassle the barrel may have more value to you as a tomato stake then to export it. Find a US buyer and let them buy it, if you have to sell it for $100 less you are probably saving money in the long run.
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keep their fingers off the keyboard if they do not know ALL the aspect of the law.
People considering shipping parts internationally should, at a minimum, read this page from the Brownells website:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/general/international_sales.aspx
Part 1: General Information, International
There are a number of items which Brownells sells which need US State Department approval and an export license before they can be shipped out of the country. The regulations are complex and constantly changing but our staff is here to help you understand what is needed and will gladly work with you to correctly accomplish the task.
Generally speaking, items which usually need a license are:
Frames
Receivers
Barrels
Barrel Liners
Various other gun parts such as triggers, sears, ejectors, magazine tubes, scopes, and other items if the ordered amount is over $100.00 US.
Licenses from the US State Department take time to receive. You will need a DSP-83 form from the US State Department for regulated items. It can easily take 30-60 days to obtain an export license, so plan ahead accordingly. Many other countries also require the buyer to apply for and receive an import permit or certificate in order to be able to import a licensed item into their country; so again, you will have to be aware of what the laws are for your country.
Brownells has an obligation to monitor our shipments for both direct and indirect exports. A direct export is when an order is placed by someone outside of the United States and then ships out of the US when all the required licenses and investigations have been successfully completed for that order. An indirect export is where an order is placed by a customer outside of the US and then is shipped to another location within the United States. Both of these examples could need an export license to take place.
There are a number of things which need to be checked and verified for an export order and Brownells is diligent to conduct the required procedures as specified by the law. Brownells will swiftly report any violations to the appropriate governing authorities of any potential customer which seeks to break those laws.
You will be required to provide an import permit or certificate from your government for us to include along with the export application for you order. You will also have to provide Brownells with a written order for the items you wish to order. This can be an official purchase order or a written order on your company’s letterhead, paragraphing in letter form the items you wish to order. Your signature is required on these items as well. The US Department of State also requires that your written order reflect that Brownells is the supplier your order is directed to. Failure to do so will cause your application to be denied. Unfortunately, the Brownells Order Form from our web site or our Web Order Confirmation cannot be accepted as a written order.
Exports of licensed products are regulated by various US Government agencies. The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) is administered by The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) through the US Department of State. Click here for more information on License Support Documentation information from DDTC: http://pmddtc.state.gov
Other Web Resources
http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/738spir.pdf
This is the Commerce Department EAR Section 731 Supplement No. 1 Country Chart. In this listing, if your country is listed on the chart and has an ‘X’ in the FC, CC1, CC2, CC3, AT1, OR AT2 columns, you will need an export permit.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/cc10.pdf
This is the Commerce Department EAR Section 774 Category 0 listing. The following classifications will need a license:
ECCN 0A018 – Items which are on the Wassenaar Munitions List
ECCN 0A984 – Shotguns, barrel length 18 inches (45.72 cm) or over; buckshot shotgun shells; except equipment used exclusively to treat or tranquilize animals, and except arms designed solely for signal, flare, or saluting use; and parts, not elsewhere specified.
ECCN 0A987 – Optical sighting devices for firearms (including shotguns controlled by 0A984); and parts, not elsewhere specified.
Canadian customers can click here for information regarding firearms purchases: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/faq/import_e.asp
Canadian customers can click here for information regarding firearms parts purchases: http://www.international.gc.ca/eicb/military/faq-en.asp
Canadian customers are required to provide and Import Authorization which states that you can import firearm components. Our Department of State will only accept a certified English translation of this import permit. DO NOT send your original copy because you will need it to receive the goods when they come to you.
If your country does not require an import license, you will need to post us a certified letter reflecting this information. Your written, signed order is required, as well as the guidelines previously mentioned. If you have any questions you may contact our Foreign Sales Department.
keep their fingers off the keyboard if they do not know ALL the aspect of the law.
People considering shipping parts internationally should, at a minimum, read this page from the Brownells website:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/general/international_sales.aspx
Part 1: General Information, International
There are a number of items which Brownells sells which need US State Department approval and an export license before they can be shipped out of the country. The regulations are complex and constantly changing but our staff is here to help you understand what is needed and will gladly work with you to correctly accomplish the task.
Generally speaking, items which usually need a license are:
Frames
Receivers
Barrels
Barrel Liners
Various other gun parts such as triggers, sears, ejectors, magazine tubes, scopes, and other items if the ordered amount is over $100.00 US.
Licenses from the US State Department take time to receive. You will need a DSP-83 form from the US State Department for regulated items. It can easily take 30-60 days to obtain an export license, so plan ahead accordingly. Many other countries also require the buyer to apply for and receive an import permit or certificate in order to be able to import a licensed item into their country; so again, you will have to be aware of what the laws are for your country.
Brownells has an obligation to monitor our shipments for both direct and indirect exports. A direct export is when an order is placed by someone outside of the United States and then ships out of the US when all the required licenses and investigations have been successfully completed for that order. An indirect export is where an order is placed by a customer outside of the US and then is shipped to another location within the United States. Both of these examples could need an export license to take place.
There are a number of things which need to be checked and verified for an export order and Brownells is diligent to conduct the required procedures as specified by the law. Brownells will swiftly report any violations to the appropriate governing authorities of any potential customer which seeks to break those laws.
You will be required to provide an import permit or certificate from your government for us to include along with the export application for you order. You will also have to provide Brownells with a written order for the items you wish to order. This can be an official purchase order or a written order on your company’s letterhead, paragraphing in letter form the items you wish to order. Your signature is required on these items as well. The US Department of State also requires that your written order reflect that Brownells is the supplier your order is directed to. Failure to do so will cause your application to be denied. Unfortunately, the Brownells Order Form from our web site or our Web Order Confirmation cannot be accepted as a written order.
Exports of licensed products are regulated by various US Government agencies. The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) is administered by The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) through the US Department of State. Click here for more information on License Support Documentation information from DDTC: http://pmddtc.state.gov
Other Web Resources
http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/738spir.pdf
This is the Commerce Department EAR Section 731 Supplement No. 1 Country Chart. In this listing, if your country is listed on the chart and has an ‘X’ in the FC, CC1, CC2, CC3, AT1, OR AT2 columns, you will need an export permit.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/cc10.pdf
This is the Commerce Department EAR Section 774 Category 0 listing. The following classifications will need a license:
ECCN 0A018 – Items which are on the Wassenaar Munitions List
ECCN 0A984 – Shotguns, barrel length 18 inches (45.72 cm) or over; buckshot shotgun shells; except equipment used exclusively to treat or tranquilize animals, and except arms designed solely for signal, flare, or saluting use; and parts, not elsewhere specified.
ECCN 0A987 – Optical sighting devices for firearms (including shotguns controlled by 0A984); and parts, not elsewhere specified.
Canadian customers can click here for information regarding firearms purchases: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/faq/import_e.asp
Canadian customers can click here for information regarding firearms parts purchases: http://www.international.gc.ca/eicb/military/faq-en.asp
Canadian customers are required to provide and Import Authorization which states that you can import firearm components. Our Department of State will only accept a certified English translation of this import permit. DO NOT send your original copy because you will need it to receive the goods when they come to you.
If your country does not require an import license, you will need to post us a certified letter reflecting this information. Your written, signed order is required, as well as the guidelines previously mentioned. If you have any questions you may contact our Foreign Sales Department.
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