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Shilen rimfire barrel current lead time

I'm not sure they would. If it is likely any other company, they will find a reason that it isn't their products fault....bad installation, user error, yada yada yada.

Even if they did, what are they going to do for me?...they won't have any barrels available until early '27 or so. At my age, I might be dead by then.
If you do not contact Shilen about the problem, they cannot even make an attempt to remedy the situation. They are very reputable and my interactions with Shilen have been first rate.

If there is no effort on your part, then you shouldn’t even comment on their potential response.
 
They may never find the talent in the workforce. I’ve been a machinist for 25 years now. I spend my days teaching and fixing screw ups. The industry is in bad shape in a few years from what I can see.
Not just your workforce… 30 years in service/repair of Mercedes… it would shock you what a “factory trained technician” is these days… I can only shudder at “factory trained” at Toyota or Ford….
 
As a smith who has fitted and tested hundreds of barrels, there are still plenty of options out there regarding quality barrel blanks. All have really long lead times, but two years (if that's accurate) is ridiculous.

Whether it be barrels, ammunition - what IMHO makes these runs happen is the unique herd mindset competitors have. We run on a manufacturer until someone wins a big match with another brand, and the entire herd shifts.

If you haven't used a Benchmark in a while (for example), now would be a great time. They are amazing, and every bit as competitive and IMHO of more consistent quality than anything out there. Not sure what their backlog is, but I'll bet it isn't two years.

Have a great summer,

kev
 
As a smith who has fitted and tested hundreds of barrels, there are still plenty of options out there regarding quality barrel blanks. All have really long lead times, but two years (if that's accurate) is ridiculous.

Whether it be barrels, ammunition - what IMHO makes these runs happen is the unique herd mindset competitors have. We run on a manufacturer until someone wins a big match with another brand, and the entire herd shifts.

If you haven't used a Benchmark in a while (for example), now would be a great time. They are amazing, and every bit as competitive and IMHO of more consistent quality than anything out there. Not sure what their backlog is, but I'll bet it isn't two years.

Have a great summer,

kev
I owned my own business for 20+ years so I can certainly sympathize with Shilen over the employee problem; if that's what it is. On the other hand, if someone tells me they can't get the product to me for two years, I'll assume they either don't need my business, or don't care. I'll find something else, and there are alternatives.

I agree about the herd mentality.

How about Hart?

Gerry
 
If the bottle neck in production is in fact lapping and keeping those trained people in the workforce, I'm surprised that someone hasn't resorted to robot or mechanical means of lapping a barrel. With the proper tooling and controls... it could be done. JME. WD
 
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I don't think it is the fault of Shilen, I am sure they are doing the best they can. But 2 years is just too long, any longer than that and you might die of old age before getting barrel LOL!

The labor market is only going to keep getting worse. There isn't any hope to reverse these trends. Our economy is based on a combination of a speculative financial sector and service. The production sector will only keep declining.

Do these wait times apply to all of their barrels, or just the rimfire ones? I had gotten 2 of their custom Alternut Rem 700 barrels in 2024 and the wait time wasn't too bad... 5 months or so?
 
I don't think it is the fault of Shilen, I am sure they are doing the best they can. But 2 years is just too long, any longer than that and you might die of old age before getting barrel LOL!

The labor market is only going to keep getting worse. There isn't any hope to reverse these trends. Our economy is based on a combination of a speculative financial sector and service. The production sector will only keep declining.

Do these wait times apply to all of their barrels, or just the rimfire ones? I had gotten 2 of their custom Alternut Rem 700 barrels in 2024 and the wait time wasn't too bad... 5 months or so?
Only to their rimfire barrels...... they must be really good to have that kind of backlog. The lead time on their CF barrels is dependent upon what barrel, twist, caliber, and whether you want a match or select match etc. I've gotten barrels in as little as 3-6 weeks. JME. WD
 
I don't think it is the fault of Shilen, I am sure they are doing the best they can. But 2 years is just too long, any longer than that and you might die of old age before getting barrel LOL!

The labor market is only going to keep getting worse. There isn't any hope to reverse these trends. Our economy is based on a combination of a speculative financial sector and service. The production sector will only keep declining.

Do these wait times apply to all of their barrels, or just the rimfire ones? I had gotten 2 of their custom Alternut Rem 700 barrels in 2024 and the wait time wasn't too bad... 5 months or so?
Kristy told me the 2 year wait only applies to the stainless select match rimfires because of the taper lapping, the chrome moly ratchet match barrels (which I've use plenty of and are very good) are 6-8 months
 
If you do not contact Shilen about the problem, they cannot even make an attempt to remedy the situation. They are very reputable and my interactions with Shilen have been first rate.

If there is no effort on your part, then you shouldn’t even comment on their potential response.
Do you actually believe they are not acutely aware of their issue ? They are and have been for a long time. Being aware and getting it resolved…..two entirely different issues.
 
Kristy told me the 2 year wait only applies to the stainless select match rimfires because of the taper lapping, the chrome moly ratchet match barrels (which I've use plenty of and are very good) are 6-8 months

My understanding on material and manufacturing of barrels
It is easier and faster to manufacture an accurate barrel from stainless than it is chrome molly , in center fire the stainless will last longer because of the heat , in rimfire the chrome molly will last longer than the stainless because of the abrasive resistance
Stainless is also popular because it is corrosion resistant
There is a reason those old 40-50-60+ year old target rifles still shoot well with there carbon barrels

Now back to your comment why can they get the chrome molly barrels out quicker ?
Material ? Machining ? Labor ? Tooling ?
If it was material all of the barrel makers would be behind , correct ?

Hey @FrakG a little insight into the manufacturing side of things please
 
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I don't think it is the fault of Shilen, I am sure they are doing the best they can. But 2 years is just too long, any longer than that and you might die of old age before getting barrel LOL!
Try putting an order in for a custom made single shot rifle….

There are a lot of older Smith’s that are in demand that have quit taking work on. They will die before they finish what they have on their books at the moment.
 
Do you actually believe they are not acutely aware of their issue ? They are and have been for a long time. Being aware and getting it resolved…..two entirely different issues.
You are misinterpreting my post.

I was directing my comment to the OP who was complaining about a barrel but not making the effort to contact Shilen for possible resolution with that individual.

If Shilen is not aware of a customer’s problem they cannot make any attempt to address it.

My post said nothing about Shilen not being aware of their internal issue(s).

No blood, no foul.
 
You are misinterpreting my post.

I was directing my comment to the OP who was complaining about a barrel but not making the effort to contact Shilen for possible resolution with that individual.

If Shilen is not aware of a customer’s problem they cannot make any attempt to address it.

My post said nothing about Shilen not being aware of their internal issue(s).

No blood, no foul.
Resolution?
A factoid for you. On forums, literally for years, experienced guys have been droning on about the fact that guys should have barrels fit by guys that will evaluate, slug, a blank to make some determination that it’s a worthy candidate and blanks have been sent back for replacement.
A lot of guys don’t deal with top flight smiths that will take the time to do that or do it themselves assuming some level of capability.
By no means a guarantee, but lot’s of frustration avoidance is possible.
All this because once it’s cut and fit…….it’s yours, you’re resolution is generally gone.
 
You are misinterpreting my post.

I was directing my comment to the OP who was complaining about a barrel but not making the effort to contact Shilen for possible resolution with that individual.

If Shilen is not aware of a customer’s problem they cannot make any attempt to address it.

My post said nothing about Shilen not being aware of their internal issue(s).

No blood, no foul.
Just to be clear, I am not the OP but, I am the one you commented to.

First, you are correct when you say that, until and unless I say something to Shilen and give them a chance to do something, it is not a settled matter.

Second, I was not necessarily complaining about the barrel...it isn't like it is shooting 3MOA but, it certainly isn't hitting the 100 ring too often either...it appears to be a middling level barrel. I am shooting better scores with an old 1960s Anchutz that I stocked, pillared and bedded myself if that gives an indication as to how it shoots. But, even if I was complaining, the points I made were valid.

It is a part that, by design, has to be modified by someone to work and by someone particularly skilled, to work well. I have lived a lot of life and have yet to see any company step up and say "here, we know that the part went to the dealer and then, from the dealer to a third party that machined it to a certain dimension and installed it into another part but, we will accept blame that the part isn't good and give you another one for free.

Think of an engine block. The manufacturer sends it to a distributor, the distributor sends it to an engine builder that bores it, and builds a race engine. That race engine doesn't perform as well as the end purchaser thinks it should...whose to blame? Do you really think the company that manufactured the block is going to provide a new block for free without any evidence that unsatisfactory block had some defect?

Unless there are obvious issues with the part that couldn't have been created by anything other than the manufacturers processes, you are very likely going to be SOL. That is not me saying anything bad about the manufacturer...in this case Shilen, it is just a fact and, very likely the way it should be anyway.

Lets say there is an obvious flaw in the barrel (I don't think there is..a very good smith looked at it before building the gun and I had a very well respected local smith look at it and, although he didn't go all out, he didn't see anything glaring either), what are they going to do to rectify the situation? They are producing VERY few RF barrels right now and, the jury is still out on if they are the same quality as they used to be.

Sometimes you end up with a winner and sometimes you end up with a runner up...it is the second thing in the last few months that I have gotten from Shilen that I wasn't particularly happy with (with that, other than having to call several times to get someone to deal with my issue, it was handled fairly and I was satisfied) so, I will go somewhere else. I could be way off but, I don't think I am alone.
 
Resolution?
A factoid for you. On forums, literally for years, experienced guys have been droning on about the fact that guys should have barrels fit by guys that will evaluate, slug, a blank to make some determination that it’s a worthy candidate and blanks have been sent back for replacement.
A lot of guys don’t deal with top flight smiths that will take the time to do that or do it themselves assuming some level of capability.
By no means a guarantee, but lot’s of frustration avoidance is possible.
All this because once it’s cut and fit…….it’s yours, your resolution
I’m not disagreeing with you. All I was stating was let Shilen look at the underperforming barrel. There is nothing to lose and they may be able to provide some insight.

Have a good evening / morning.
 

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