Serial Numbers
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hogpatrol
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One possibility, at least on an AR, is to use your serial number on someone's completed 80% lower.
jds holler
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Ummmmm -- let's see..... If you do not have a valid proof of ownership on the firearm, someone could report that gun and serial number as stolen from them. Then they could report it's being in your possession, and you could be charged with possession of stolen property. ??? Just brainstorming here. jd
dragman
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You are correct, And god it makes me sick that we have to plan and think of stuff like that.
This....they all good and certainly valid reasons above, but this one is my primary one. If some jerk was to try, you probably wouldn't ultimately end up losing your gun, but you might have it confiscated and run into some trouble getting it back. Just knowing the serial number isn't exactly proof of ownership either.
Along these very lines, this is why it is very important and always a good idea to take good quality close up photos of all your guns and put them all on a dvd with conditions and values and info as to where you got it or how it otherwise came into your possession. Receipts scanned in are worth their weight in gold. This is important not just for things like this, but in case they are ever lost or stolen or for insurance purposes too.
I have a pretty extensive collection of old doubles and had to do this and put it on file with the insurance company. I don't know if this is true, an insurance agent isn't a lawyer, but I was told that in some states proof of ownership can go back to the last person that can show a receipt of purchase.....you really want that person to be you.
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I have taken pictures of all my guns with my drivers license next to the serial number because I know a guy that couldn't get his guns back from the sheriffs department with out more proof that they were his. serial number alone was not proof enough ..so posting a picture online with the serial number visible might help add a time line to your proof of possession. again, the fact that we have talk about this is disturbing .
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
No concern...but then don't cry when the crooks hit. Nothing like helping yourself become a victim of some really smart, but antisocial folks on the Internet these days.
I have owned my guns for so long that I can no longer put my hands on the bill of sale for any of my rifles. On the other hand, my pistols are registered to a family address in a state that requires permits and the registration of them. Posting pictures with a serial number is something I will not do, for the above mentioned reasons, and reasons in other posts.
Why not show your Social Security Number, and address along with your Credit card number and bank account numbers when you want to sell or buy?
You could add your GPS location along with a list of what other possessions you own to woo the buyer or impress the forum lurkers of what you have.
Unless you are looking at building a straight, I can't see where a serial number matters, unless looking for a firearm built before or after a certain date. Then you could always ask, and may get the whole number or a 434XX reply. Show serious interest, and I would accommodate you if you are not from Nigeria
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let's be nice OK. there's no need to be mean and we are just having a discussion.. we are talking about the pros and cons. I for one do not post serial numbers. I do not recommend any one else do either. but I'm not going to be a jerk to someone who does
I was not being mean, just pointing out the obvious. If you are a Nigerian barrister, excuse me for stepping on your toes.
Has anybody ever heard of this happening or is paranoia getting the better of us...
hogpatrol
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With the advent of the internet becoming a large part of the firearm buying and selling business, I'd say it's just people using common sense.
Even though there is no national database for gun ownership. It is illegal for the government to keep such information
When law enforcement runs the serial number on a gun they track it to the FFL license holder who sold it. He better have the records on who he sold it to in his files.
Next they go to the purchaser. What did he do with the gun? I have never had a visit from ATF. Anybody know what happens then.
When law enforcement runs the serial number on a gun they track it to the FFL license holder who sold it. He better have the records on who he sold it to in his files.
Next they go to the purchaser. What did he do with the gun? I have never had a visit from ATF. Anybody know what happens then.
RC,
it may be illegal, but they keep them anyway.
ATF has checked serial numbers with me twice. AR-15's both times.
it may be illegal, but they keep them anyway.
ATF has checked serial numbers with me twice. AR-15's both times.
Hopefully you have a sales receipt for anything you passed on down the line, or police report for it having been stolen.
ATF told you who the wholesaler and retailer were hopefully. If they told you anything further then they violated a regulation (Not a law).
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about MISINFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No national data base???????????? Ever heard of NCIC (National Criminal Information Center). When authorized and for a lawful purpose or investigation, any Law Enforcement Agency/Officer, can "run" a "WEAPONS CHECK" and determine whether that weapon has been registered, if it is stolen and who that weapon is registered to. How else would you expect a weapon to be traced by Law Enforcement????? How the heck do you think ATF/Feds tracked or intended to track that IDIOTIC idea during the Obama Administration of the FAST AND FURIOUS FIASCO that cost a Border Patrol Officer (Terry) his life? Sorry but you have BOGUS info!
Alex
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