Seeking Assistance/ Winchester M70 Port Ejector Spacing

[Synoptic12]

I'm seeking some assistance regarding the port ejector spacing, namely on the recess. Should this area be symmetrical at each end? There are an abundance of variations which lead me to believe that there are many errors. The specific model I'm referring to is a Winchester Super Grade French Walnut, chambered in .308. All replies are appreciated.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I'm seeking some assistance regarding the port ejector spacing, namely on the recess. Should this area be symmetrical at each end? There are an abundance of variations which lead me to believe that there are many errors. The specific model I'm referring to is a Winchester Super Grade French Walnut, chambered in .308. All replies are appreciated.View attachment 1358780

If it functions right, I think I'd leave it alone. Looking at pics online, it looks like they are like that now, for whatever reason.

 

[Synoptic12]

If it functions right, I think I'd leave it alone. Looking at pics online, it looks like they are like that now, for whatever reason.

* Wrong.
To me, Winchester is the last remaining stanchion of bolt action rifles; even though they are assembled in Portugal. The inletting seems to be very good, more so than the 'past' New Haven models in which I own two. There seems to be an issue with the port ejector recess as not being symmetrical in both the long and short actions (Either too long or too short), whereas this is truly an eyesore. More so, in terms of being a collectible, this facet would detract from its appearance. And, the French Walnut being advertised as AAA French Walnut is classified as Grade III stock. Though the grade or classification of the wood could be considered subjective, the standards vary from manufacturer to manufacturer; using different grading scales or various nomenclature to define the ‘grade’. One gun manufacturer may classify the wood as 'Grade A', whereas another gun manufacturer may consider the 'Grade as AA'. This is strictly business 101.

 

[skywag]

You NEVER see a famous custom rifle maker do that. Here is a JK Cloward.

 

[SBS]

I'm seeking some assistance regarding the port ejector spacing, namely on the recess. Should this area be symmetrical at each end? There are an abundance of variations which lead me to believe that there are many errors. The specific model I'm referring to is a Winchester Super Grade French Walnut, chambered in .308. All replies are appreciated.View attachment 1358780

Of course it should be symmetrical. I'd get this back to the dealer/factory to rectify the error. Rifles much cheaper than this manage to do better.

 

[Synoptic12]

Of course it should be symmetrical. I'd get this back to the dealer/factory to rectify the error. Rifles much cheaper than this manage to do better.

Thank you very much for the courtesy. Winchester/Browning is already in possession of the rifle. Their gunsmiths will hopefully rectify the problem. I can receive a new French Walnut stock but there are none at the moment and there is no time frame as to when they may receive any. The grain on my french Walnut isn't too bad with some nice mineral streaking, so if Winchester can cut, stain, sand, and finish as 'new', I'll be satisfied. The rifle is brand new (2 wks. old) and I'm actually embarrassed at missing this flaw being a collector. I would not wish to deal with any other gun manufacturer in this position. Winchester has always provided the best customer service adjoined to their workmanship.

* "Correct Ejector Port Spacing as Seen on the Winchester Website".

 

[Edd]

The rear bridge on the receiver, in the first picture, appears to be shorter than the one in the last picture.

 

[Synoptic12]

The rear bridge on the receiver, in the first picture, appears to be shorter than the one in the last picture.

Yes, no question there: 'As this entire thread encompasses that fact'. The latter Super Grade French Walnut is representative of the actual photo on the Winchester Website as stated in my prior post. I may have not clarified that aspect.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Looks like you got the answer you wanted to hear. Maybe ask Winchester why some are like yours and others aren't. There are numerous pics online, both ways.

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Like I said, they came that way. Why, I don't know. It has nothing to do with wood grade, that I can tell. It seems more random than anything. My guess is they are left semi inletted before going to final finish and some get more port work than others prior to applying a finish.. A Google search for model 70 super grade shows a bunch made both ways.

 

[Mike Samer]

The short action M70s we're made with two different ejection port lengths. It appears this stock was inletted for the shorter version.

 

[Synoptic12]

The short action M70s we're made with two different ejection port lengths. It appears this stock was inletted for the shorter version.

That assertion, I never heard of nor did any ever make mention of that (2 Different Versions?) Where did you obtain that information, for Winchester/ Browning never made mention of (2 Different Versions.). Naturally, I'm referring to Baco and the 'new' versions.
* Addendum: Winchester shows the Super Grade French Walnut on their website with the port ejector being 'symmetrical'. 'There' is no mention, none of two different versions. More so, the picture displayed on the Winchester website is the item one must receive, 'not another' or different rifle. This is clearly false advertisement and misrepresentation.

 

[Mike Samer]

I have owned both versions and it can also be clearly seen on your posted photos.

 

[Synoptic12]

I have owned both versions and it can also be clearly seen on your posted photos.

There is only "one" photo, not 'photos'. the # 1. photo depicts a short action .308 in that the port ejector spacing is "too short". The # 2. photo is a clear representation from Winchester as 'pictured' on their website (.308 Super grade French walnut) as being "symmetrical". Naturally, the long version will have a different port ejector bevel. You know not what your speaking of.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

It appears that the op has asked a question but disagrees with the provided answers. The answer is, they came both ways. Why, I don't know but there are numerous examples both ways online. He has spoken to Winchester and they are in possession of the gun. It appears now, the question is if/how they go about satisfying their customer. The "problem" has been identified and hopefully they can make him happy. Just a guess here but I suspect they may replace the stock and he might end up with a nice upgrade in wood for his trouble. I would be curious as to why they are frequently seen both ways. To me, it doesn't seem like enough to be long vs short action length and the action screw spacing difference between post 64 l/a vs s/a is .540", making it difficult to believe that's where the "problem" originates, unless they are shaped to that degree before inletting at all. From a production standpoint, that doesn't seem like the most feasible cause as it would seem lo lack a way of fixturing the stock for inletting, on a mostly finished product. I know if I were building the stock, the area in question would likely be very near the last step prior to sanding and finishing but they might fixture things differently. No matter the process, you still have to hold the part. No pad and no tip, it could be held but that's a pretty wide span for inletting

Bottom line, if the op reports what Winchester does, maybe we'll know more then. Until then, it's a question of their mfg process and I don't think any of us know of what we talk, in that regard.

So..we wait.

 

[Mike Samer]

One more try... there are two different versions of the SHORT actions. The difference is in the length of the rear bridge section which in turn creates the different ejection port lengths. Both versions have the same action length and receiver screw spacing.

 

[Edd]

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