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Seating Depth with High BC boat tail bullets

Guys most of what I've loaded over the past 30 years has either been limited length wise by mag length or didn’t need to be seated terribly far out to get close the the lands. My new 6.5-06 build
will allow me to seat some bullets farther out. Especially if I use some of my 123 Grendel bullets to play around with.. I don’t have to worry about this with 140s or 147s here. My question is“ For bullets that have long boat tails, or even flat based bullets though I never use them, how deep should the bearing surface (where boat tail meets caliber diameter) be into the neck to insure adequate grip on the bullet”?
 
Back in the day the rule of thumb was one caliber into the neck. For an example for .30 cal. about .3, this for loading for field use where magazines would be used and some recoil would be a factor. Contrast this with my 6PPC chamber which gives me less than .2 of shank in the neck with most bullets, often considerably less. It is a single shot, and the ammunition will not see rough handling.
 
Bolt gun half cal of bullet diameter is more than enough.
Gas gun closer to 1 cal of bullet diameter is adequate. But none of this is a rule of thumb.

I've shot thousands of M1A 308win cartridges loaded maybe 0.200" inside the neck ( not counting the BT, only bearing surface )

Edit: with semi-auto I usually do a light taper crimp just for insurance.
 
The lands in your chamber should determine this. Do you have a reamer drawing or know how much freebore the chamber has? Depending on the bullet, you may not be able to seat it as far out as you think.
 
As Ledd Slinger noted, many reloaders use the relationship between seated bullet ogive and lands as a guide to how much freebore the chamber will need to keep the seated bullet within a certain region within the neck. Really long bullets need more freebore, short bullets need less. The amount of freebore needed for any given bullet or class of bullets can be readily estimated by making a few dummy rounds and taking some measurements. Alternatively, talking with someone from a reamer manufacturer such as JGS or Manson will likely be beneficial as they may have many reamer designs on file for any given cartridge that have already been optimized for a given weight class (length) of bullets. Also, a conversation with knowledgable gunsmith can achieve the same goal.

With a commercial rifle, one takes whatever freebore they get from the factory and tries to reload using a bullet and/or seating depth that will generate acceptable results within those parameters, meaning one may have either limited bullet length/weight choices, or may need to cover a much wider range during seating depth testing if the factory freebore is fairly long, meaning they can seat the bullet of choice almost as far in or out of the neck they want.

Over the years, I have commonly heard the value tossed about at shooting forums and such that one would ideally like at least half a caliber of bullet bearing surface seated in the neck. Many different cartridge necks are close to one caliber in length, so that notion provides some reference as to how much neck length there is to "play with" when determining optimal freebore for a given bullet. In other words, the ideas would be to keep approximately [at least] half the neck length occupied with bullet bearing surface while maintaining a specified distance relationship between bullet ogive and the rifling. In this scenario, one would thus have about half the neck length to play with in terms of choosing a freebore length for a given bullet that is aimed at maintaining a certain distance between seated bullet ogive and the lands.

For this reason, choosing the correct freebore length for a given bullet or class of bullets should not be guesswork. For example, the neck length for .308 Win is very close to one caliber. In making freebore estimates for a specified .30 cal bullet or class of bullets, if one wanted maintain at least half a caliber of bullet bearing surface in the neck, they would have approximately 0.150" to play with in terms of keeping the bullet boattail at or above the case neck/shoulder junction, but not more than halfway out the neck. This is a fairly generous margin for error, but certain bullet-specific factors can still make a difference. Does the bullet (or bullets) of choice want to be seated out to hard jam for optimal performance? That might use up as much as .020" to .025" of the 0.150" total available to play with. Does the bullet of choice want to be jumped .030" or more? That would mean a difference in bullet seating depth of as much as .050" to .055" from the jammed bullet example. So even though 0.150" might seem like a lot of room to play, it can change pretty quickly.

Finally, another critical question that needs to be addressed is the bullet design itself. Will the bullet (or bullets) of choice actually shoot well with only a certain amount of bearing surface seated in the neck? It is possible to seat bullets with only a third, or even a quarter caliber (or less) bearing surface in the neck. Although it may appear that bullets seated with so little bearing surface in the neck are "about to fall out", with sufficient neck tension/interference fit, you probably cannot pull one out solely using your fingers. They can be that tightly seated, even if it looks odd. So it's not necessarily an issue of bullet grip in the neck. Nonetheless, some bullets do not appear to shoot well seated way out in the neck. Alternatively, some may shoot quite well. Unless one has information regarding seating depth optima from other users of a given bullet, testing is the only way to know with certainty whether a given bullet will tolerate (or even prefer) being seated with only a small amount of bearing surface seated in the neck.

I have always tried to select freebore length such that when seated at "touching", the bullet boattail/bearing surface junction is at or above the case neck/shoulder junction, but not more than halfway out the neck. In other words, the bullet boattail/bearing surface junction will be located in the bottom half of the case neck. That means a seated bullet will have somewhere between one-half and a full caliber worth of bearing surface in the neck. Preferably, I target the middle of that range (i.e. the bullet boattail/bearing surface junction is approximately one quarter of the neck length above the shoulder). I should note that none of the various competition/target bullets I shoot require being seated into the lands; they are all jumped in tuned loads. In general, this has worked pretty well for me. Only once have I ever ordered a reamer with a freebore optimized for a much longer bullet and then tried to load a markedly shorter bullet that I knew needed to be seated within about .010" of the lands or so, meaning it seated with only about 0.100" bearing surface in the neck (0.30 cal bullet). Unfortunately, that particular bullet did not shoot so well seated so far out in the neck, so I simply stuck with using the much longer bullet in that particular rifle. Nonetheless, there are bullets that work just fine seated with only a small amount of bearing surface in the neck. If one has certain bullets in mind for a given application, it is sometimes possible to make inquiries at various shooting forums about the seating depth preferences for a specific bullet. Someone may have the exact information needed, especially if it is a commonly-used bullet. Other resources including gunsmiths and reamer manufacturers will also likely have good information about commonly-used bullets and optimized freebore lengths. It is a good idea to find and obtain as much of this info as possible before making a final decision that is irrevocable once the chamber has been cut. Even so, sometimes one may have to make their best guess and then deal with whatever consequences arise once they begin load development.
 
Thank you all for your answers. I do enjoy conversing with this group. I doubt that I would ever use the 123s eldm in this particular rifle but I have a lot of them for my Gendels and wouldn’t say never. They would likely make for a great, easy shooting long distance armadillo load. They would also work for deer. My target or planned bullet from the start of my build has been the Hornady 147 eldm. I generally “smoke” a bullet or black it with a sharpie and find approx. oal to lands. That particular bullet touches the lands at 3.40”. I only had IMR 4350 for my first few loads and I loaded 147s at 3.390 to start. None of the the 4 loads I used to start my ocw test were over moa. The best being less than .6. The 147s sit with the bearing surface just at the neck shoulder junction so no worries there. 140 eldms would sit just a hair above that point. No worries there either. If I were to try 123 eldms at that same OAL I would have more than a caliber of bearing surface in the neck which from what I’m hearing and reading should work fine. If I can ever get off the road and get home, I plan to do a work up with H4831sc for which I paid way to much for but managed to procure 8lbs of. “Let’s go Brandon”. I start generally with an OCW test over the chronograph with loads seated to 10 thousanths off the lands to find my accuracy nodes. Then I vary seating depth and shoot over the chrono to find my most accurate seating depth within that node that gives consistent es and Sd numbers. That’s my preferred method anyway. This is Criterions a-square match chamber. I’m only 12 shots into it so I have a ways to go before the barrel is broken in. If I were to customize on my next barrel I would likely get them to ream it so I could use 270 brass with minimal trimming and lengthen the throat just slightly. I’d definitely have it fluted and ceracoated black. I’m hoping to get to 2900 comfortably with the 147. From preliminary indications, with the right powder and bullet, this thing just might shoot.
 

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