Scope Advice Please

[Hrsmn51]

Currently hiding in the Florida Panhandle. Another F-Class match in a couple weeks.300 yards
"MIRAGE the demon" dew every morning so plenty moisture by the time to shoot sun brings out the mirage.
What scopes have you found best cutting through mirage. The 2,I have with me are not getting the job done.
Trijicon ten mile 5-50x56 Sf
Minox mp5 5-25x56 FFP
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[Ranger188]

The only 2 that have been mentioned here that might be better than the
Ten Mile is, Sightron SVSSED and the March High Master

 

[One Eye Pete]

For F-class I have the Sightron SVSSED and the Khales 1050.
Both are really great scopes. The Sightron has a better exit pupil (easier to stay on) and is probably a bit brighter.
For mirage I would have to say the Khales is slightly better but it is a pricey scope - I bought mine used.
I'm in SC and mirage is also a big issue. At 300 yds. on a high mirage day I usually keep the power down to about 24x and either of these scopes will work well.
I was considering a Trijicon 5-50 (Eurooptic has some good pricing on them right now) how does it perform other than mirage?

 

[coldboreshot]

I'm not aware of any rifle scope that alters the condition of mirage i.e., 'cut through". The only solutions I know of are to reduce the power, if the scope is variable, to a setting that makes it exceptionally tolerable to deal with or perhaps color filters. I don't believe that technology is among us yet.

 

[NateHaler]

For F-class I have the Sightron SVSSED and the Khales 1050. Both are really great scopes. The Sightron has a better exit pupil (easier to stay on) and is probably a bit brighter. For mirage I would have to say the Khales is slightly better but it is a pricey scope - I bought mine used. I'm in SC and mirage is also a big issue. At 300 yds. on a high mirage day I usually keep the power down to about 24x and either of these scopes will work well. I was considering a Trijicon 5-50 (Eurooptic has some good pricing on them right now) how does it perform other than mirage?

I believe that Exit Pupil (EP) is dependent on the Objective Lens Diameter (OLD) divided by the Magnification (M).

OLD / M = EP

So, if you want to increase the size of the exit pupil -- the little dot of light you see at the ocular end of the scope -- then dial magnification down. And EP greater than 7mm is not useful, as I recall reading that a young person with perfect eyesight cannot utilize more than 7mm. But if you're using a 56mm scope set at 55x magnification, then your EP is just 1mm, and that is a tiny dot, and difficult for older eyes especially to use effectively. When in doubt, dial the power down! It will increase the size of the exit pupil, and may help you deal with mirage better.

One Eye Pete, PM incoming.

 

[One Eye Pete]

I'm not aware of any rifle scope that alters the condition of mirage i.e., 'cut through". The only solutions I know of are to reduce the power, if the scope is variable, to a setting that makes it exceptionally tolerable to deal with or perhaps color filters. I don't believe that technology is among us yet.

Its just my feeling that when I look through both scopes the Khales appears to show slightly less mirage. This could be because the coating on the lenses is different. The other thing it could be is that I have a mirage disk for the Khales that reduces the light into the objective lens supposedly to give increased depth of field on bright days. Maybe I had that on and it made a difference.
You could temporarily try that on any scope. take a piece of cardboard cut a round hole smaller than the objective lens diameter in it and tape it over the front of the scope with masking tape to see if it helps.
You are correct that turning down the power is the best solution.

 

[coldboreshot]

I have the aperture reducer ring on all my Vortex Golden Eagles. I have found, it offers little significant optical advantage. On a heavy mirage day at 1000 yards where the target rings cannot be readily identifiable, the only relief I can achieve is reducing the power to half or so, so the mirage is not necessarily "flooding the field of view". It allows me to observe the broader "flow" of the mirage to time my shots more precisely. I have never had nor viewed a scope which assisted with detailing the target rings in such conditions regarding the OP's concerns about "cutting through" the mirage.

 

[Hrsmn51]

I appreciate the replies and you guys understanding.
One Eye I think the ten mile is a good scope. There is a lot to like( ease to adjust zero a big one) It is a big scope but not as heavy as my razor.I find the Khales 5-25 to be very similar to the Minox for a tactical scope. The 10-50 would be one to try
Shot the 308 with the Minox this morning bigger holes are easier to see even in mirage.
The March seems like a highly respected scope and hope to check one out.
I do understand no scope will eliminate the mirage but I thought I read somewhere that one or another was better at reading through it.
The highest power I have been able to use lately is 20pwr.

 

[One Eye Pete]

Found this F Class John video on YouTube this might be helpful

He explains it much better than I can.

 

[KY_Windage]

I'm not aware of any rifle scope that alters the condition of mirage i.e., 'cut through". The only solutions I know of are to reduce the power, if the scope is variable, to a setting that makes it exceptionally tolerable to deal with or perhaps color filters. I don't believe that technology is among us yet.

Thank you. And turning the power down does not alter the mirage, it just makes it so you notice it less.

 

[Rich Lee]

Currently hiding in the Florida Panhandle. Another F-Class match in a couple weeks.300 yards
"MIRAGE the demon" dew every morning so plenty moisture by the time to shoot sun brings out the mirage.
What scopes have you found best cutting through mirage. The 2,I have with me are not getting the job done.
Trijicon ten mile 5-50x56 Sf
Minox mp5 5-25x56 FFP
H

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[Rich Lee]

I appreciate the replies and you guys understanding.
One Eye I think the ten mile is a good scope. There is a lot to like( ease to adjust zero a big one) It is a big scope but not as heavy as my razor.I find the Khales 5-25 to be very similar to the Minox for a tactical scope. The 10-50 would be one to try
Shot the 308 with the Minox this morning bigger holes are easier to see even in mirage.
The March seems like a highly respected scope and hope to check one out.
I do understand no scope will eliminate the mirage but I thought I read somewhere that one or another was better at reading through it.
The highest power I have been able to use lately is 20pwr.

army snipers shoot 1000 yards with 10 power

 

[KY_Windage]

Found this F Class John video on YouTube this might be helpful

He explains it much better than I can.

i'm not buying it. He might be increasing his depth of field very slightly at the target, but the mirage is the accumulation of heat waves across the entire 600 yards. Also, in photography I did not get significant improvement in depth of field until I stopped WAY down. Just doing what he is doing is not going to do anything.

 

[coldboreshot]

i'm not buying it. He might be increasing his depth of field very slightly at the target, but the mirage is the accumulation of heat waves across the entire 600 yards. Also, in photography I did not get significant improvement in depth of field until I stopped WAY down. Just doing what he is doing is not going to do anything.

This ^^^^^^^^^

 

[Hrsmn51]

Rich I think you may have missed my point (pun Intended) F class 300 yd X ring 1 3/8" or so trying to see impacts are challenging for me, even seeing the ring itself requires all the help I can get.
Reducing the aperture isn't the answer.
There are members here who shoot far beyond my 300yd problem. I'm hoping for real world experience with different optics that have been beneficial in acquiring the target during difficult mirage.
Let's be real this an expensive hobby that is growing in costs daily. Better equipment can bring more hits at maybe less cost??? Life is short!

 

[ronsatspokane]

Mirage is effectively a lens. Light rays are bent and produce differing effects depending on temperature, humidity and wind. That lens is external to your scope. Your scope cannot reach out and change that effect. The best you can hope for is to accurately see the mirage. If you can see it, you can read it and make adjustments. If you can't see it, you can't read it. Either way, the information it presents will affect your shooting. Ignore that information at your peril. A good quality scope will clearly show mirage. It looks like a river flowing through the atmosphere.

 

[Hrsmn51]

Thanks for all the replies.
Good shooting to all!!!!!