Schmidt&Bender 12.5-50X56 MOA
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I have a 12-50x56 PMII with 1/8 adjustments and multi turn turrets. The owners manual I received does not cover this model so there are no specs in it. I have it on a 20 MOA base and have 71 MOA of up available after a 100 yard zero. There is still some elevation below 100 but the zero stop will not let me access it without loosening it all up. The windage turret also has stops which allow 1 full turn in each direction, 15 MOA in each direction from zero. There is more total windage available but again, the stops will not allow me access unless I loosen it all up. Once it is zeroed there is only 15 MOA in each direction available.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
What I found while shopping for one;
"multi-turn elevation with 1/8 MOA clicks (0-75 MOA) combined with double turn windage, also with 1/8 MOA clicks, and both turrets clockwise or counter-clockwise. The 1/8 MOA version with ccw adjustments will be the first to be available in the U.S., at the request of F-Class shooters seeking a long-range scope of absolute precision."
"multi-turn elevation with 1/8 MOA clicks (0-75 MOA) combined with double turn windage, also with 1/8 MOA clicks, and both turrets clockwise or counter-clockwise. The 1/8 MOA version with ccw adjustments will be the first to be available in the U.S., at the request of F-Class shooters seeking a long-range scope of absolute precision."
ANDY T said:
I love this scope. The way the elevation turret is set up you can never get lost. Optics are amazing. Parallax knob is so accurate that it can be used as a range finder. Tracking and turret feel are perfect. Mine is a First Focal Plane P4F and I can see anything & everything. If I miss, it ain't the scopes fault.
There are only 2 things I would change. I would like a reticle that had MOA hash marks and I wish the elevation turret was not cluttered by the single click hash marks. My 50 year old eyes have a hard time seeing those tiny lines so close together - but there is a longer halfway mark and the clicks can be easily counted which makes it OK.
edited to add: You asked about a comparison to Night Force. I have owned multiple NXS and Bench Rest Night Force scopes. This S&B makes them look and feel like a Barska or NC Star scope.
LESLEY said:
Eh, saw a March go tits-up at SOA last year, so they are far from perfect, also saw one there with a canted reticle actually. FWIW, saw a S & B 12-50 go tits-up this past weekend as well. Not sold on either of them being worth the premium over NF...
I have a friend who's March just lost it's windage adjustment. He's the second owner and the scopes over five years old so he's S.O.L.
If it were a Nightforce all he would have to do is ship it to Idaho for repairs, probably at no charge. Even S&B has a 20 year warranty and can be repaired in New Hampshire.
You can keep all the March scopes as far as I'm concerned because in my opinion when you pay 3K for a scope it should have a lifetime warranty and have a service center in the U.S.
Danny
If it were a Nightforce all he would have to do is ship it to Idaho for repairs, probably at no charge. Even S&B has a 20 year warranty and can be repaired in New Hampshire.
You can keep all the March scopes as far as I'm concerned because in my opinion when you pay 3K for a scope it should have a lifetime warranty and have a service center in the U.S.
Danny
+1 pgg
The S & B is awesome! I was aware of them but the price was a deterrent until I actually looked through one that my gunsmith had. It was like looking through an open door. I also would have preferred MOA hash marks, but it is not difficult to develop a drop chart with the MIL graduations. The FFP (first focal plane) is imperative for long range varmint hunting. Once I understood that the drop chart did not change at any zoom level, it was a no-brainer. It's a pain having to have a different drop chart for every magnification on the second focal plane scopes. I did three charts for my friend's NXS, and he doesn't dare go to any zoom other than those three when shooting prairie dogs, and even then he has to make sure he is using the right chart.
Also, I have yet to see a second focal plane scope that does not have some shift in point of impact when zooming in and out. It may be very small on some of the better scopes, but it is still there. That problem does not exist on FFP scopes.
The S & B is awesome! I was aware of them but the price was a deterrent until I actually looked through one that my gunsmith had. It was like looking through an open door. I also would have preferred MOA hash marks, but it is not difficult to develop a drop chart with the MIL graduations. The FFP (first focal plane) is imperative for long range varmint hunting. Once I understood that the drop chart did not change at any zoom level, it was a no-brainer. It's a pain having to have a different drop chart for every magnification on the second focal plane scopes. I did three charts for my friend's NXS, and he doesn't dare go to any zoom other than those three when shooting prairie dogs, and even then he has to make sure he is using the right chart.
Also, I have yet to see a second focal plane scope that does not have some shift in point of impact when zooming in and out. It may be very small on some of the better scopes, but it is still there. That problem does not exist on FFP scopes.
I have a S&B 12.5-50x56 and I am less than happy with it. I got it because I had a 3-10x50 Zenith that I liked. The optics were superb. The clarity on the 12.5-50x56 in my opinion is poor for such an exspensive scope. As a example I was shooting at 600 yards with it and I was struggling to see the bullet holes. I also had a NF NXS 42 power and a leopold 25 power that showed up the bullet holes on the white target. Maybe I have a scope that missed QC but the price they are demanding for these scopes that should'nt happen IMHO.
I would think there might be something wrong have you tried sending it in for a check up? I looked through both my NF and my S&B tonight with a friend we both were saying they looked great but the S&B looked more clear even though it was 8 power stronger. There is just no way they suck like you describe or they would be trashed there must be a problem. PG
PG it was sent back to get converted to 8th clicks and I told the dealer about the poor clarity.
It was away for months and when I got it back there was no difference.
It was a dealer here in the uk and there after sales service sucks.
I will get in touch with S&B and see if they can resolve this problem
It was away for months and when I got it back there was no difference.
It was a dealer here in the uk and there after sales service sucks.
I will get in touch with S&B and see if they can resolve this problem
dave7mm said:
The 5-25x56 PMII with a FFP P3 reticle is fine on steel at 1000.
dave
I really like the head gear, does it perform as well as a Bulz-Eye-Pro?
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