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Savage M111 Long Range Hunter in 6.5 x.284 Norma

Since the Shooting Times issue came out Dec.Jan.,I have ordered two of them, Non of the distributors around the country
have them,They all have them listed but non in stock!. I even called Savage twice to see when they would be shipping,they say in a couple of weeks. It has been a long wait.
My question is has any one know whats up with this Rifle??? :-\
I have worn out my issue of the magazine reading and wondering when will they be available.
 
Let's see, I'll just roll out my crystal ball and see if I can come up with an answer... Nope... ;D No idea. Not unusual for firearms makers to put out a lot of publicity about a new model or chambering and wait a pretty long time before getting into production. I suspect they're testing the waters, seeing what kind of response the magazine articles generate, before actually starting production.

Who knows?
 
I have a couple of friends that are looking for a couple of these rifles. They have had the same results that you have. There just aren't any to be had anywhere. Nobody seems to know what the problem is. As far as they can tell there is none avaible at this time. I don't know how many of these were made. We know they made at least one for the magazine article.
 
Thank,s for the info. The mystery continues. I have seen the price go up from $664.00 to $934 for a gun that does exist! >:(
 
Kendoka, I just registered here, but I recieved my 111 LRH 6.5-284 the day you posted this thread. It does indeed have a 26 inch barrel. That is including the brake, so with the brake open it has an effective 24.25 inch barrel. However, It achieves velocities that will match most 28 inch tubes in every load I have tried. I am matching velocities that are posted with equal loads and up to 29 inch barrels, with one matching a 30". Have no idea how or why, but you lose nothing due to the muzzle brake or barrel length. the gun shoots 1/2 inch or less at 100 yards with more than 15 different loads that I have tried with 140 berger VLD's, 130 VLD's and 129 SST. My best group to date was just over 1/2 inch at 200. But I have only fired it at that range twice, with four loads, only one was outside an inch at 200 and it was barely over, that was the SST load I had settled on trying at that range. All other testing was at 100.

Anyway, rest assured they do exist, they are just slow coming. I ordered mine January 20th through a dealer, I believe it came from acusport, could be wrong, but they said they received 9 I believe in that which was their first shipment in that caliber, all were spoken for, told the dealer it would be a while before he would get another because they had a good number on order that were spoken for. I had been their first order from what I am told and the rep had to call savage to verify it's existence and that he could take an order for it. Yes they are slow coming, but from what I am seeing they are worth the wait.
 
Thanks for the message,That gives me hope!.I guess i will have to stand in line for awhile more. Glad to hear it is a shooter.Did you take it apart and check out the Accu stock?. did you have to clean out all the grease they put on there guns?.
 
There wasn't a lot of grease in it. Just a little around the locking lugs. The Accustock is great very rigid, but you have to get the torque perfect on the three action screws or it will not be as accurate. Not overly fond of the accutrigger but I can get used to it. Don't know how to describe it, but it is just a little soft or something. No creep but just doesn't break as crisp as I like. You don't notice it when shooting it. Just when dry firing.
 
I believe Jim Briggs at Northland Shooting Supply has one listed in new rifles for sale section. His web site can be got to by going to Savageshooter the click on Northlannd shooting supply. He has it listed for $635.00 plus $20.00 shipping. Check it out!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If you can buy one for 635.00, GET IT!! I gave 825.00 for mine, and don't feel screwed at all. 635.00 is unreal, and I am thinking it must have been demoed or something. that is cheap. and an amazing deal on a great rifle.
 
Well it finally arrived last Friday,Then started to clean the gunk from the rifle,the bore was heavily coated with some kind of protection,
4 hours later and a lot of scrubbing I got it clean enough to shoot. I started the break in routine, fire one shot and clean . That,s where I am right know. The barrel seems to like Copper and fouls real bad, I will take my time and do the same way as I have done others in the past.
I will keep you informed over the long ordeal of cleaning and load development in the future.
 
It is time to start shooting this LRH. I,m tired of the break in and all of that elbow grease. I have loaded up some 123,s and 142,s Sierra,s to start. This barrel has a very long throat so the jump will be critical. Over time I will find a happy spot. Tomorrow A.M. I will start my testing.
 
kendoka66, a friendly suggestion from an F Class shooter that had a 6AI barrel last one season. Don`t leave half the gun`s barrel life on the bench. These cartridges are so fantastic that it is hard to resist the temptation to work up the "perfect" load off a sand bag.

The 6AI and the 6.5/284 have about the same accurate barrel life, 1200 rounds. Although I seemed to be lucky with an exceptional barrel that went 300 rounds beyond that. So there are no hard and fast rules but 1200 must be kept in mind.

The 6.5/284 has been shot long enough now in competition that guys who switched from Palma to F Class have become aware of barrels suddenly "dying". This rarely happened in their .308 Palmas.

This past year as an RSO I noticed several top F Class shooters using 6.5/284s only firing 10 rounds in a 15 round practise or sitting out a relay. These guys have become paranoid about their barrels.

Having just completed the Ontario and Canadian Championships, I see a definite trend of competitors leaving F(Open) and going to F/TR. Talking to these individuals reveals a common reason, barrel life. You can expect 3000 rounds or so from a .308 although I hear some guys saying 5000 rounds???

You have a fantastic rifle in your long range hunter. Please take a hint from someone who has experienced short hi-vel barrel life and take `er easy.

Bill
 
I stick to 130 grain bullets doing about 2750-2800 fps for play time at the range. I have worked up a couple very good very high velocity and safe loads for hunting. No way I would shoot them every day. I have another 6.5-284 that has about 400 rounds down it with no immediate damage, and I put the first 200 through it at no holds barred. then started reading about the barrel life. Another thing to think about, keep your strings to 6 shots or less, preferably 3 then a complete cool down, this is easy for me as my range is in the back yard. May not be for others. shooting 10-15 round strings adds heat, heat and pressure eat your lands. Reduce your heat and pressure and you will extend the life of your barrel. A hunter should get far more life out of a barrel than a competition shooter. The outside of a heavy barrel remains cooler but the inside holds heat longer, double edged sword. The heavy barrel target rifles are more rigid and therefore have less vibration, and take longer to heat up, on the flip side they stay hot on the inside longer when it may appear that it has cooled. I am sure most comp shooters know this.

Bottom line, keep your strings short, and make sure it cools well, your barrel life, while not that of a .308, will still be far better than comp shooters are getting. Also keep the bore clean.
 
Thanks for the advice, I plan on just shooting three shot groups while I find a good load. I shoot slowly about 1 shot every 2 minutes. I keep a sham wow in the cooler in ice water and wrap the barrel after every couple of groups. As you know heat is a killer and here in the SW.desert it get really hot. So I will take it easy and not hot rod my loads. F class is rough on barrels as I have shot 1000 yards several times so I know what you mean.

BTW, KG12 work great!.
 
Another couple ot thoughts from a long time savage shooter, The accustock i have (10pc) simply works better without using the wedge. There is a good write up on the accustock on savageshooters. com.

The barrels do copper foul a lot while breaking in, and mine have taken between 100-200rds to smooth out. Some of my savage barrels will shoot best with between 20-100rds or more before cleaning, i know what your thinking but it works, i simply clean now when the groups fall off.

And last but not least, never look down the bore of a savage barrel, ... the reamer marks will scare you to death! They simply shoot as well or better than most rifles in their class. blue
 
I have had the Accu Stock apart three times with no problems. I follow the Savage Guide lines and do the torque the same each time. I adjusted the trigger to two lbs. and it breaks clean. I have shot about ten groups so far and they show a lot of promise 1/2'' or better when I do my part. I am working up slowly not getting the barrel hot. I clean now after 20 shots.
 
Yeah, I meant to say that the accustock has to be just right, but am not thinking about it when I have it right. Mine is working very well so far as well, but I got that stock out of whack a few weeks ago and it took me two weeks to get it right again. It will throw you into massive tantrums. However, it works when the shooter does his part. The thing that kills me is those flyers that I get that open my groups from .3 to .5 or .6 inches, this thing will make you crazy if you let it, just have to realize that just because one isn't touching the other two or in the exact same hole as the other two that you still may have a .4 inch or better group, and this in its self is astounding from a bone stock factory rifle that will do that consistently. I got carried away at first and caught myself having fits in my head trying to figure out how I screwed something up to cause that flyer, then measured the group and it was .3-.5 inches. That can be shooter as much as it can be the load or the gun. .3 inches is a pretty tight hold at 100-200 yards. my best group to date measured .36 outside to outside at 191 yards. That load was 49.7 grains of 4831SC and a 130 VLD target bullet from Berger, lapua brass, fed 215 primer (old ones in a red box) at 3.187 inches. Give it a try if y9ou have the bullets. Otherwise try 50.3 grains of RL17 and a 140 VLD at 3.21 inches with a fed 215 or a win wlr primer, I get the same results with that load and those primers,I can use them in the same group and the bullets will fall the same place.

Yesterday I had 5 stragglers I needed to download , they were loaded with both hornady and lapua brass, and I shot a 5 shot group with my hunting load as well, which is 51.2 grains RL17 and a 130 VLD hunting and target mixed (2 hunting, 3 target) CCI250 (trying something different) at 3.189 inches COAL. Velocities ranged from 2813-3203, all five of the hunting loads mentioned read exactly 3203 and did it again this morning but one was 3204(dangit!!!) The other bullets were 1 140 grain VLD, and 2 129 SSTs. That is four different bullets, the target bullets have a thicker jacket, 4 loads, 3 powders two brands of brass and 3 primers with a whopping 390 fps extreme spread, all fired across a chrony. 10 total shots, ONE 1.2 inch group. You don't have to point out that my gun is not zeroed. I will do that next weekend. Average velocity was 2980 if that matters to you! ;D You made a wise purchase, I have to say again.
Apologize for the size of the photo, I don't have a decent photo editor on my laptop and I am at work.

P.S. i am only half bragging, and on the gun not my shooting or loading, the other half is for your encouragement Kendoka. this gun has 270 rounds down the tube so far and some may say my barrel life is half over, I may be completely wrong but I don't think it is. I clean it every 20-30 rounds still, and it seems that it helps some with carbon fouling. Also I have to say that unlike all of the articles said, Mine shows only 6-10 fps difference in velocity from turning the brake on, some higher, some lower. having it open does seem to open my groups 1/8 to 1/4 though with most accurate loads.

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CF, Sounds like you are enjoying your LRH!. Remember Rifles are like women some take tender loving care and can be quite finicky.
I have only tried the 142SMK,s and 123Smk,s also a few Berger 140,s. I am trying different seating depth,s as this rifle has a very Long Throat. Thursday I will try some different loads with H4831sc and Reloader 22 in 1/2 grain at a time. Slow and easy is the best way to go,keep that barrel clean and cool and it will last a lot longer than you read. I will try some loads with the brake off to see if it makes a difference.
 
Yeah, when I am just shooting I use 49.7 grains of H4831SC and a 130 VLD or I play with other bullets. I got good results the other day with a 100 grain Speer TNT or whatever it used to be, the one that has the huge gaping hollow point and they no longer make. I loaded it with H4350 and I cannot remember the charge but it was a grain under the book maximum. It wasn't real fast, but extremely accurate. Good for 1-200 yard target shooting I suppose. I keep the heavier bullets around 2800-2900 for playing. The hot load is strictly for hunting. I clean my bore every 20-30 shots fired now. It never gets terribly out of hand but there is obvious carbon buildup around the throat area when i do. Mine has a very long throat as well, but It isn't that big a change for me, I started reloading so I could get the absolute most out of my 6.5x55s. They are all european except one custom and they all have long throats like this. I load SGKs and pro hunters in them to 3.1 and am nowhere near the lands.
 

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