Some of you might have noticed that i have a savage model 11 for sale in the classifieds. I took this rifle in to help a friend out and i will probably sell it but i have also thought about just keeping the darn thing. I haven't ever been drawn towards the savage idea, but now that i have one it has at least a little of my attention. My question is this. Just how accurate could this savage model 11 action become? It appears to be pretty flimsy as far as stiffness with all the cut outs. maybe not though? I just dont know anything about them. Can this repeater action ever be as accurate as a comp savage action with the proper barrel and stock? Lee
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jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Yes it can as I have built 3 of them.It is all in the barrel. and a good trigger such as the rifle basix2. It is no t flimsy at all.You are just to used to the bats and the likes.I just slammed one together in 260 rem and groups have become quite small.The last group was in the 3's and with a new trigger and stock,I cant wait.
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Lee,all you have to do to determine the twist rate is use the cleaning rod technique.Use a tight patch and push it in the barrel over 3/4 of the way and pull out slightly to tighten the patch and mark the cleaning rod with a marker ,I use tape to make a flag and pull it out till it revolves I time and measure between the points and that will get you real close.
The simple answer to your question is yes. One of my cheap stevens 200 builds with a cheap .22-250 barrel and cheap stock and a BSA scope has printed a .158" 3 shot group at 100yds. Normal is more like .200"-.250" C2C at 100yds but it has the potential to do it. It's hard to argue with that kind of accuracy from a rifle that I only have $550 invested in total with scope.
I've built two so far and both shoot under 1/2 moa without anything fancy. One has a Benchmark barrel and the other is a McGowen barrel.
Both have rifle Basix triggers.
If you pick a good caliber and good barrel you should get some real good accuracy.
Both have rifle Basix triggers.
If you pick a good caliber and good barrel you should get some real good accuracy.
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Lee give it a try ,you might like it better than you think.Northland supply is the place to go for prefit barrels.
As others have already stated, good accuracy is possible with a Savage action, a quality after market barrel, and stock. I used a Savage 12 action, Lothar Walther pre-fit barrel, and a Mcmillan stock. After a bedding job the second group that I shot at the 200 with this 243 was amazing. Now that group was an exception, but most 5 shot groups that I shoot with that rifle come in at well under .5 depending on conditions.
CaptainMal
Silver $$ Contributor
WOW are you guys good. In my dreams I could not duplicate what I just saw here.
Fellow at a benchrest national told me "everyone" carries around a wallet group. Then he went on to say it's unusual. Don't care. What I see here is an inspiration.
May you do it all the time.
Fellow at a benchrest national told me "everyone" carries around a wallet group. Then he went on to say it's unusual. Don't care. What I see here is an inspiration.
May you do it all the time.
You may want to come on over and check out www.savageshooters.com
There comes a point where an action is as ridged as it needs to be, and anything further is just over kill. The Savage repeater actions are at the point that they are as ridged as they need be. A buddy of mine, and I both have Savage bench rest rifles, (With work from Sharp Shooters Supply) that will fit into IBS/NBRSA 100-300 Varmint yards light gun. (His is a target action mine is a model 11 action.) We also both own Bats. (Both of his are SB both of mine are S.) We both agree that our Savage's shoot on par with our Bat's. My Savage has shoot many 5 shot 100 yard groups in the .1's with both a 6PPC Krieger barrel, and a Douglass 30BR barrel. (Best groups being a 122.) My buddy's gun has as well, with a 6PPC Krieger barrel. I have also done very well in the long range game shooting an old Savage 110 I got out of a pawn shop. The fact is a Savage will shot every bit as good as any Remington.
The down side of Savage is first, the amount of aftermarket parts available. (About 1/2 of what is out for a Remington.) There are only a handful of true Savage gunsmiths. (What works on a Remington, doesn’t necessarily work on a Savage.) A Savage action will have some slop in the bolt (Heck, it is a mass produced action.) and there is little that can be done to remove this. The upside of Savage is you can buy off the shelf aftermarket pre-fit barrels cheap, and have them in a couple of days. If you send the actions off to Sharp Shooters Supply for a time and true job, they can take the bolt lift down to something that is comparable to a Bat. (This is done without cutting coils on the firing pin spring.) You can change bolt heads and go to just about any caliber you would want.
The targets you see are good, and are typical.
Here are a few pitures of 5 shoot 100 yard groups I have shot with my Savage modle 11 with a 6PPC Barrel.
These couple of targets are shot with the same gun Modle 11 with a 30BR barrel. (Only have 50 rounds down the barrels.)
Picture of Target and match win pin from the 2010 St Louis IBS Nationals. (Savage 110 repeater long action.)
There comes a point where an action is as ridged as it needs to be, and anything further is just over kill. The Savage repeater actions are at the point that they are as ridged as they need be. A buddy of mine, and I both have Savage bench rest rifles, (With work from Sharp Shooters Supply) that will fit into IBS/NBRSA 100-300 Varmint yards light gun. (His is a target action mine is a model 11 action.) We also both own Bats. (Both of his are SB both of mine are S.) We both agree that our Savage's shoot on par with our Bat's. My Savage has shoot many 5 shot 100 yard groups in the .1's with both a 6PPC Krieger barrel, and a Douglass 30BR barrel. (Best groups being a 122.) My buddy's gun has as well, with a 6PPC Krieger barrel. I have also done very well in the long range game shooting an old Savage 110 I got out of a pawn shop. The fact is a Savage will shot every bit as good as any Remington.
The down side of Savage is first, the amount of aftermarket parts available. (About 1/2 of what is out for a Remington.) There are only a handful of true Savage gunsmiths. (What works on a Remington, doesn’t necessarily work on a Savage.) A Savage action will have some slop in the bolt (Heck, it is a mass produced action.) and there is little that can be done to remove this. The upside of Savage is you can buy off the shelf aftermarket pre-fit barrels cheap, and have them in a couple of days. If you send the actions off to Sharp Shooters Supply for a time and true job, they can take the bolt lift down to something that is comparable to a Bat. (This is done without cutting coils on the firing pin spring.) You can change bolt heads and go to just about any caliber you would want.
The targets you see are good, and are typical.
Here are a few pitures of 5 shoot 100 yard groups I have shot with my Savage modle 11 with a 6PPC Barrel.
These couple of targets are shot with the same gun Modle 11 with a 30BR barrel. (Only have 50 rounds down the barrels.)
Picture of Target and match win pin from the 2010 St Louis IBS Nationals. (Savage 110 repeater long action.)
What do they do to the savage actions when they true them and is it necessary? Also will this little model 11 action i have fit in one of those BVSS laminated stocks that come on the model 12's? I like that stock! If i keep this i need to build it up for a factory rifle for the varmint shoots. Im not real sure what all is allowed but it has to be able to shoot against a savage target action and i am not convinced it will?? Lee
skeetlee said:
As long as the screw spacing on your rifle match the spacing on the BVSS stock you will be all set. There is also a staggered feed and center feed actions. How old is your 11? I don't have any of my savages timed or trued and a lot of other people out there have crazy accurate rifles with out having it done as well. I have no doubt in my mind that the target action project in 6BR I am building now will shoot every bit as good as my little Stevens 200. Only thing I do doubt is that it will shoot any better. Target actions do look cool though.
ttfreestyle
Silver $$ Contributor
hey samdweezle who makes the stock in your pic?
Well the time and true job originated from Sharp Shooters Supply, (Fred Moreo) There are a few gunsmiths that can true the action but they don’t understand the timing.
This should answer some of your questions. (There are some trade secrets in this job, and most of them are so subtle you will never find them.)
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,4899.0.html
Is T&T necessary? No, but it helps. It will improve bolt lift, and ingnition.
Yes a BVSS stock will fit your model 11 action. Savage only offers two actions, a long and a short, everything else is a variation off of that. With that said your action is the exact same action used in a modle 12, and it shares a lot with the target actions. Bacisly the only diference in the target action is they have less machining. It would depend on the club what they except as far as a factory gun. I can say one thing a model 12 will shoot identical as a target action. Here is some pictures of 5 shot 100 yard groups I shot with a out of the box model 10 Precision carbine.(Just about the same gun as your model 11.) Same action as yours, and the model 12, in a plastic stock with a barrel that is inbetween the Varmiinter profile (Model 12) and your sporter contour. (Model 11)
Here is the Factory Savage test target for that gun.
Here is the Factory Savage test target from a model 12 Benchrest I had that was a 6mmBR
And here is a 5 shoot 100 yard groups shot from a model 12 benchrest in 6mmBR
This should answer some of your questions. (There are some trade secrets in this job, and most of them are so subtle you will never find them.)
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,4899.0.html
Is T&T necessary? No, but it helps. It will improve bolt lift, and ingnition.
Yes a BVSS stock will fit your model 11 action. Savage only offers two actions, a long and a short, everything else is a variation off of that. With that said your action is the exact same action used in a modle 12, and it shares a lot with the target actions. Bacisly the only diference in the target action is they have less machining. It would depend on the club what they except as far as a factory gun. I can say one thing a model 12 will shoot identical as a target action. Here is some pictures of 5 shot 100 yard groups I shot with a out of the box model 10 Precision carbine.(Just about the same gun as your model 11.) Same action as yours, and the model 12, in a plastic stock with a barrel that is inbetween the Varmiinter profile (Model 12) and your sporter contour. (Model 11)
Here is the Factory Savage test target for that gun.
Here is the Factory Savage test target from a model 12 Benchrest I had that was a 6mmBR
And here is a 5 shoot 100 yard groups shot from a model 12 benchrest in 6mmBR
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