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Savage Action screws

My Action Screws came loose about the 35th round tonight.

Did a search and saw 25 in lbs for the 3 screw action. Does that sound right for the new F-Open rifles?
Does anyone locktite the screws?
 
Standard 1/4-28 bolt torque for low carbon bolts is only 6 ft-lbs, but if the action sets in an aluminum v block it could crush the v. I always do a full action bed job then you have know v shape and it is the true shape of the action so you can put more torque on the bolts and get an even pull. This is just what I do, hope it helps and I know everyone does it different. As far as loctite on the screws, sometimes I put bees wax on the screws that come loose and it holds them in place good, but I can't say I've had action srews come loose either.
Best of luck and God bless,
Chuck
 
Ah... I just use my Midway FAT driver and torque the action screws on my 12 F/TR to 65 inch-lbs like on a Rem700 action... seems to work well enough. Factory stock, but it has been bedded w/ Devcon, FWIW.
 
You shouldn't need to loctite your action screws in my opinion.
If they constantly loosen by themselves you seriously need a bedding job. Bedding is always a good thing either way.

If I remember correctly the two screw pillared actions are torqued to 45 lbs. Not sure about the three screw actions.
All my Savs are bedded and I tighten them down hard.

I have one used action where the front screw hole came a little boogered up. That screw constantly loosened up on me. Bedding and a little fingernail polish on the screw solved that issue.
 
Well I torqued them down and they did not come loose shooting today.
I still have a problem and just realized it. My windage is almost on the Zero Stedia mark. I only have 15MOA to play with going left. On top of that with the luppy bore sighter my 100 yd zero is past the second right side Vertical line. I never had that happen on any of my rifles before
I tried 2 different scopes and rings. The NightForce NSX I only had 2 MOA windage to play with going left. I have a Luppy LongRange Target Scope on it with a Ken Ferrell 20MOA base and Ken Ferrell rings. That is the scope that only gives me 15 MOA to the left to play with.
I used this scope on my 308 last year and it was at the 4 stieda mark for a 100yd zero.

I checked the base and all looks Perpendicular to the mounting screw holes and they have the same distance on either side. The base fit fine onto the Action when I installed it.
 
Something is screwy. IS your stock contacting your barrel and causing a pressure point?

Have you tried mounting one ring with the nut on the left and the other on the right?

Maybe your base is untrue.

More likely your holes weren't centered.

RHINOUT!
 
I checked the stock and there is no interference I am able to slide a piece of paper all the way through.

Today I went and reversed the rings on the luppy scope. I even tried taking the Ken Ferrell rings which are marked F for front and R for rear. Switching them around and put the rears on the front.

I also tried another NF scope with a Milldot reticule and it started out on the one stedia mark also. Cold bore. After 10 shots I had to go left 5 MOA which is abut the same for all the scopes I have tried.

So not only do I not have enough windage on a cold bore 100yd zero I lose about 5 MOA when it warms up. I called Savage today and was told to send the rifle back. SO now I have 150 rounds through the barrel just screwing with scopes.

At least the rifle does shoot real good even with my problem I am getting really good groups, with H-1000 @ 50.1 grn and 142 SMK's about .004 off the lands.

I am going to try ista Bodines this weekend even If I have to use holdovers. It is my fault for waiting till the last minute to get everything I needed to set it up/ I have had the gun since October.
 
BUY a pair of Burris Signature rings and use the plastic shims to correct the slop.

Somewhat inexpensive fix too.

RHINOUT!
 
I just got back been messing with it since my last post. I was able to borrow a set of badger rings and also a set of Burris adjustable rings.

I set the Luppy scope to the middle of the windage adjustment and set the scope in. with the badger rings it was the same right back to almost all the way to the left. I had maybe 5 Moa to play with.
The I tried the Burris windage rings. Reset the scope to the center of the windage adjustment. put the rings on and I first tightened it down to see where it put me on a bore sighter.
Same problem so I went and started to adjust the rings.
I had to loosen the tops because it was starting to stress the scope. So with the tops loose I got it centered. I laid my lapping bar in to see how much it was off.

The lapping bar would not sit on the rings proper and I would have hade to lap so much that it was not an option. First off they were not my rings and second I was amazed how much light was showing through the bottom of the rings.

Rifle is going back Monday. I took the Alignment bars where you line up the points. Put one in the front ring and one in the back to see how much distance there was. The front one was to the right and the rear one to the left by a noticeable amount.
 
Hey Rhino was good shooting with you at Forbes. Any way like I showed you I had to shim the Scope .015 on left rear and right front. this way I was able to obtain the windage I needed.

Since Savage has had the rifle 2 times already once with out my scope when I drove there and handed it to them and the second time with my scope. Their reply to the problem it is within their Factory Tolerance. That there is nothing wrong though I have had 3 gun smiths look at it and tell me either the barrel is drilled wrong or the threads are not perpendicular for the action when the barrel was screwed in.
There are 2 other people I have talked to that are having the same problem. Savage could send me all the 100 yd scope box charts and 3 shot diamonds they want. This rifle is F-ed up. If iI was only shooting at 100yds I would not care.

Also I keep telling them the hotter it gets the more to the right it shoots with no reply to that problem. I mean after about 15 rounds it finally settles down. The only problem is that when you only get 2 sighters and then going for record like at Forbes this is a problem.

The rifle does shoot great after the 10 sighters go down the tube like at the 800 yd at forbes. Still at the 900 and 1K it posed a problem the 2 days we were shooting. I am going to call them again and try to speak to someone higher up and see what they say. AT this point I either want it fixed or my money back.

Has far as the brass I got from you I have not tried to do any thing with it until I resolve this problem. Plus I got the Stiller TAC 338 Action from the group buy on snipers hide and have been working to get a barrel and break so I could build the 338LM rifle to put in to the AICS I bought a year ago>>>>>.

Will keep you informed about what is going on. Also I do agree with the barrels you told me about and I might also do the Swede thing will let you know.
 
I have a Savage 110 repeater action. The drilled and tapped holes on top of the receiver were not lined up with receiver. I checked that barrel is lined up with receiver, mounted the receiver in milling machine and drilled&tapped new bigger holes. I was going to do this anyway, to get beefier screws and metric threads.

Now I'm only 4 clicks,equals 1 MOA) off the middle of scope's windage adjustment, which I consider excellent. With factory holes, I was off approx. 20 MOA...
 
It sounds definitely like a very good reason to use the original Redfield mount with rear windage screws... Guess if it was copied by Leupold and Burris, there must have been a strong motive. With factory rifles you never can be sure about perfect alignment between receiver screws and receiver axis.
 
A little off the beaten track, but this isn't a problem with just rifles. I've got a S&W 617,.22 LR), 4" barreled revolver and the reat sight and it's recess were machined off the center line. Couldn't really tell until I mounted a two power Leupold on it and the scope went one way and the barrel the other. it took them several years to fix it. We fixed it with a Burris windage adjustable base. Still, whatever happened to customer service and standing behind your product, like Dillon Precision for instance?
 
About "factory tolerance": they have to decide on some tolerance, and keep their decision. Otherwise they'd need to fix every gun.

You ever wonder where the price difference between factory rifle and custom rifle comes? The custom can cost 10 times low-end factory rifles like Stevens.

If the scope's adjustment on Stevens,or any other factory rifle for that matter) is enough to get POI and POA the same, factory is satisfied. So are 90% of buyers.
 
Well the problem is not the scope mount screws. Thought it was in the very beginning till it was checked by two other people with laser.

The problem lies in the barrel either not being drilled right or the threads in the Action for the barrel> I am told they might not be square. there seems to be 3 people now with the same problem.
One person I know who sent his Action out and had it trued for the barrel threads. I also got 1 e-mail and 1 PM from another site. seems like these guys are having the same problem.

Sure Savage has to set tolerance but then don't call your rifle a PRECISION TARGET Rifle. Like I said in prior posts I have or had at one time 6 Savage rifles. All have been excellent shooters. This one is a excellent shooter once the barrel is warmed up. The thing is I should not have to Shim a scope that much for it to give me enough windage left to get and stay on target at 1K if the wind blows more then 8-10MPH.

Customer care has been very good at least in picking the rifle up and sending it back in the same condition.
 
Well back to this thread with update. I shot the NYS championship and came in 3rd.The rifle went to Savage 2 times once without the scope and once with. Came back in same condition saying within Factory Specs.

After having 2 Highmasters shoot the rifle and one very good reliable smith told me it is still not right. I sent it back to Savage Again. My 308 shot better at 1K then this thing does. On top of having my scoped shimmed .015 to the right to get enough left windage I have about had it.

I hope they fix it this time because I hate wasting ammo and by now I could have built a custom 6.5x284. So we shall see what happens.
 
edp - I am way out of my league on this since I don't shoot 1K or even 600yr, but I have to agree with your fustration over what seems as a miss taped set of holes. A suggestion would be if Savage doesn't fix the problem is to get a set of windage adjustable rings. I try to stay away from them since I and not that good at setting up my scopes. But if your mount is off just a little because of the holes,would not be bad for 100yrs but a disaster at 1K) this might just be the solution on getting your scope aligned to center. Just a suggestion if it doesn't work, I like your suggestion about building a new gun.

Good luck and I hope it might help.

Jim
 

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