Savage 6BR 8 twist?
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I have to say I find myself quite surprised and somewhat perplexed at the accuracy I've encountered so far with most of the 6BR rifles from Savage.
Several shooters, from the ranges and clubs I participate in, have brought their Savage rifles to me with the purpose of developing a pet load that will benefit their rigs. Every time, I just bring one of my standard, proven loads, and adjust it at the range with my hand held Lee/Redding seating device, and within minutes, they are shooting within 0.3" or less.
This is usually "custom rifle accuracy" territory here. Yes, I am impressed.
I will try to get pictures from one of last week's episodes, and subsequent 600 yard F-Class target (first time shooter-and new rifle) whom shot a 196-8X. Everyone at the range took notice. The grin in his face is still there.
Andy
PS: Suggestion, the Palma stock has adjustable cheekrest. Just a consideration.
Several shooters, from the ranges and clubs I participate in, have brought their Savage rifles to me with the purpose of developing a pet load that will benefit their rigs. Every time, I just bring one of my standard, proven loads, and adjust it at the range with my hand held Lee/Redding seating device, and within minutes, they are shooting within 0.3" or less.
This is usually "custom rifle accuracy" territory here. Yes, I am impressed.
I will try to get pictures from one of last week's episodes, and subsequent 600 yard F-Class target (first time shooter-and new rifle) whom shot a 196-8X. Everyone at the range took notice. The grin in his face is still there.
Andy
PS: Suggestion, the Palma stock has adjustable cheekrest. Just a consideration.
Hi Bob,
Travelor's load is considered a standard within the 6BR community. Basically, if your 1/8" barrel can't shoot = or < 0.5" groups with it, there is something wrong with the barrel, bedding, sights, or shooter.
As soon as I have the pictures, I'll post them here. You will see what different projectiles and powder loads will do, and how adjusting for OAL can affect grouping.
Andy
Travelor's load is considered a standard within the 6BR community. Basically, if your 1/8" barrel can't shoot = or < 0.5" groups with it, there is something wrong with the barrel, bedding, sights, or shooter.
As soon as I have the pictures, I'll post them here. You will see what different projectiles and powder loads will do, and how adjusting for OAL can affect grouping.
Andy
The attached target was shot with my 12F at 300 yards. The load was 32.5 grains RL17, Lapua case, neck turned to .013, Wolf KVB-5.56M and Sierra 107 MK seated to 2.385 (+.010). Velocity was 2908.7, ES/SD 7.9/4.1 at 75 degrees.
I would be hard to convince that a Savage cannot shoot well.
I would be hard to convince that a Savage cannot shoot well.
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From what I have read and shot, Savage makes a pretty good 6mm barrel. It seems that their 6.5 barrels are more variable. I also have two other barrels for the 12F, both McGowen. One is a 10" twist, 30" .308 that shoots very well. The other is a 9" twist, 26" .22-250 that I have not yet shot. The .22-250 bore looks beautiful.
Easily swapped barrels are just one of the Savage ancillary benefits.
Easily swapped barrels are just one of the Savage ancillary benefits.
Bradley Walker
sleepygator said:The attached target was shot with my 12F at 300 yards. The load was 32.5 grains RL17, Lapua case, neck turned to .013, Wolf KVB-5.56M and Sierra 107 MK seated to 2.385 (+.010). Velocity was 2908.7, ES/SD 7.9/4.1 at 75 degrees.
I would be hard to convince that a Savage cannot shoot well.
That looks like a .5" group with a yank!!! ;D
Bradley: The other four were .449 and the same thought had crossed my mind. At San Diego's South Bay range, it is sometimes hard to tell. The range topography and wind produce occasionally strange results.
For instance: We have a 200 yard berm with a large, deep gulley in front of it. When the wind comes from the south (behind the firing line), the updraft at 200 yards can deflect bullets at the 300 yard line as much as an inch.
When I see results like this, I evaluate in the following order.
1. Did I do it? - I shoot from a Farley rest and Edgewood Mini-Gater rear bag with a Nightforce BR 12-42. I can usually tell and I am the most common problem.
2. Horizontal stringing - Was I not paying enough attention to the wind flags or was it a windy day?
3. Vertical stringing - Was the wind coming from the south? If using the chrono, check that shot's velocity to see if it was the problem.
4. If all else is eliminated, blame it on range sprites.
For instance: We have a 200 yard berm with a large, deep gulley in front of it. When the wind comes from the south (behind the firing line), the updraft at 200 yards can deflect bullets at the 300 yard line as much as an inch.
When I see results like this, I evaluate in the following order.
1. Did I do it? - I shoot from a Farley rest and Edgewood Mini-Gater rear bag with a Nightforce BR 12-42. I can usually tell and I am the most common problem.
2. Horizontal stringing - Was I not paying enough attention to the wind flags or was it a windy day?
3. Vertical stringing - Was the wind coming from the south? If using the chrono, check that shot's velocity to see if it was the problem.
4. If all else is eliminated, blame it on range sprites.
Bradley Walker
I am curiuos how did the wolf primers compare to other brands?
In 6BR, my testing shows the Wolf KVB-5.56M to be the most consistent primer available. I also tested CCI 400, 450, BR-4 and Federal 205M. Powders tested were: RL17, RL15, Varget, H4895 and Accurate 2520. The KVB-5.56M is tough, tolerating high pressures without failure.
The load cited in the earlier post produced 7.9/4.1 ES/SD in warm weather. I have found RL17 to be temperature sensitive and requires seasonal load adjustment.
The load cited in the earlier post produced 7.9/4.1 ES/SD in warm weather. I have found RL17 to be temperature sensitive and requires seasonal load adjustment.
Bradley Walker
sleepygator said:
Oh, I put your load in my data base in my logbook... those numbers are insane good!!!
Everyone seems to be around the 30 grain mark for the 6 BR for all the various honey loads. I would think the 32 gr mark would be better.
I know that my 31.5 to 32 gr R-15 load is crazy good with 80 grainers in my 6BR.
From my experience the slower powders are typically less peaky than their quicker counterparts . Most of my favorite loads in most calibers have fairly slow powders and very full cases.... this is doubly true in 223 and 223 AI where I use nearly full cases for nearly all of my best loads.
I have heard reports that Wolf primer quality is hit or miss... or do you think this is a myth?
Only the Wolf KVB-5.56M, small riflle magnum is worth buying. The Wolf SR has a thin cup and fails at relatively low pressure. It is very similar to the Remington 6½.
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