S&b pm2 12x50x56 1st fcp for F Class

[paulT]

Any F class shooters out there with a S&b pm2 12x50x56 in 1st focal plane But with the fine P4 F reticle shooting this scope for F Class able to confirm when scope at 40z & 50x the ret not obscuring the V bull or Target too much, I know the scope of choice for f class is usualy in 2nd focal plane however the option to shoot at Longrange at various power mag without effecting bullet impact has to be a plus over 2nd focal plan as Long as Target not obscured too much
Anyone able to share their findings with this scope along with P4 F Fine Ret in 1st focal plane shooting F class Thanks.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I have never seen an S&B and specifically that model at any F-class match I have ever attended. The S&B is a heavy pig of a scope and on the weight budget of an F-class rifle, I would rather put the weight in the barrel.

Also, there is a reason why FFPs are not popular in F-class. Their reticle grows as the power increases, whereas in an SFP, the reticle gets fine as the power increases. Yes, I am mixing it up for you, but once you realize that the reticle gets more precise with magnification in an SFP, you will understand.

FFPs are great for a large number of reasons, but the one aspect you need in F-Class is the one the FFP does not have.

As for the POI changing due through the magnification range, suffice it to say that it is not really an issue in F-Class. While it is possible there may be slight changes in POI due to a lesser quality optics; I never change the magnification on my scope; it's always at 50X. Other people may change magnification due to mirage affecting lesser optics, but nobody spends their time trying various magnifications during a string. If you decide to use 20X for the next string instead of your usual 30X, well, that's what sighters are for And there is usually more variation string to string due to conditions that you would have in changing magnification in any riflescope that you would care to use.

 

[dthomas]

The above post pretty much answered your question. There is no advantage to a ffp scope in f class you won't be using the hash Mark's in the reticle.

 

[paulT]

The above post pretty much answered your question. There is no advantage to a ffp scope in f class you won't be using the hash Mark's in the reticle.

Thanks for replies
I woint be using the p4 fine ret hash marks for holding under/over but the half moa rings on the Target my main issue was trying to find out with the 1st focal plane p4 fine ret at 30-50 power how much of the Target at say 1000y would be obscured by the ret country in lockdown here and no way of checking at moment.

 

[Falfan2017]

Looking at a diagram of that reticle the pf4 cross hairs should take up just under an inch of target at 1k. Should be small enough to see the 10 ring clearly enough.

I have actually looked through the sb 12-50 at an f class target. It’s heavy and expensive and other scopes for less money are a bit clearer and much lighter so you don’t see them in the line often.
If you already own one you could definitely use it for f class. If you want to buy one id probably look at something else.

 

[dthomas]

If you already have the scope definitely try it. You could draw a target with a half moa circle inside of a 1 moa circle at whatever distance you could set it up at and look through scope to see how much target it takes up.

 

[paulT]

Looking at a diagram of that reticle the pf4 cross hairs should take up just under an inch of target at 1k. Should be small enough to see the 10 ring clearly enough.

I have actually looked through the sb 12-50 at an f class target. It’s heavy and expensive and other scopes for less money are a bit clearer and much lighter so you don’t see them in the line often.
If you already own one you could definitely use it for f class. If you want to buy one id probably look at something else.

Thanks for reply.

 

[paulT]

If you already have the scope definitely try it. You could draw a target with a half moa circle inside of a 1 moa circle at whatever distance you could set it up at and look through scope to see how much target it takes up.

Thanks for reply.

 

[coolbox]

I have used the sfp pm2 12-50 on my FTR rifle. While it is better than many a scope, and 2nd only to my current March 10-60 highmaster in resolution and brighteness (NF comp has good glass, but smaller eyebox), it is both heavy, as mentioned above, and has a very very short eye relief. I could not shoot free recoil with a 308 FTR rifle, weighing in at 17.8 lbs all included. Would always get a small peck on the forehead with this scope.

 

[Willow]

I've got a mate that owns one. The positives...great sight picture. The negatives...weight, cost, and the worst part is the ridiculously short eye-relief on it. There are MUCH better options out there for F-class.

 

[paulT]

Thanks for replies.