Rumors are true! 30 Nosler to be introduced at the SHOT Show

[Ledd Slinger]

Did everyone forget about the 308 Barr

With the 28 Nos. being the same capacity as the 7 STW and without any major differences in case shape/size, I'd say it's close to the 300 Dakota...maybe just a touch more. edit to ad: This one I will get.

The Nosler case is shorter and has a wider body than the STW case allowing it to work in standard length Magnum actions, with the same capacity as the STW.

Then you have the 308 Baer which would give identical performance as the 30 Nosler with the 300 Weatherby following close behind.

All the Noslers are is slightly shortened Remington Ultra Mag cases.

The Dakota magnums are basically the same exact cartridges as the Noslers. They are shortened 404 Jeffrey cases. Only difference is Dakota didn't turn the 404 Jeffrey rim into a .532" rebated rim like Remington did with the Ultra Mags.

The Ultra Mag cases have been shortened by wildcatters in the past. So this is nothing new. Only nice thing is that Nosler has commercialized the wildcats and now make brass/ammo for them.

 

[Joe Salt]

Hell guys my wife use to shoot my 308 Baer without a break with 220 SMK! what a bunch of wimps. They will go by the wayside just like the Lazzeroni did. Build a 300WSM and be happy.

Joe Salt

 

[nosualc]

You'll have a sore shoulder and a new gun I suppose.

And a detached retina.

-nosualc

 

[nastynatesfish]

Why not just neck down a can of powder?

lol,almost spit my beer out lmao!

 

[CJ6]

Did everyone forget about the 308 Barr



The Nosler case is shorter and has a wider body than the STW case allowing it to work in standard length Magnum actions, with the same capacity as the STW.

Then you have the 308 Baer which would give identical performance as the 30 Nosler with the 300 Weatherby following close behind.

All the Noslers are is slightly shortened Remington Ultra Mag cases.

The Dakota magnums are basically the same exact cartridges as the Noslers. They are shortened 404 Jeffrey cases. Only difference is Dakota didn't turn the 404 Jeffrey rim into a .532" rebated rim like Remington did with the Ultra Mags.

The Ultra Mag cases have been shortened by wildcatters in the past. So this is nothing new. Only nice thing is that Nosler has commercialized the wildcats and now make brass/ammo for them.

All this I am aware of ,and why I think it'll be close to the 300 Dakota

 

[jimbires]

quickload case capicity to overflow


300 wby ................. 98.89 gr
300 win/ win brass.....93.80 gr
300 dakota............... 94.00 gr
300 wsm .................81.30 gr
300 rem ultra mag .. 112.50
30 nos .................. 99.00 gr


so it's just about a 300 wby , without a belt

 

[wwbrown]

After 20 some years of skiing, showing off for girls on the chairlift, and the same amount of time riding/training horses, I doubt my shoulders can get much worse. I use the 215 hybrid in my 308, I doubt the recoil will but much worse in a 22# rifle, even with twice the powder charge. I just want Chris to sweeten the prize first!

After having gone through three complete rebuilds of the rotator cuff on my right side, none of which were caused by recoil, and knowing you still have use of your arms I would hazard a guess your shoulders can get much worse. I actually don't think recoil does that much damage to the shoulder, some pain yes.

On a more serious note, you could borrow my 30-275 Ruger which I reamed for heavy Scenars without the brake and shoot a few relays to see how the recoil is. The 30-375 is pretty close to the 30 Nosler in capacity, if I had waited a year for the 26 Nosler to come out I would have opened up the 26 Nosler instead of necking down the 375 Ruger.

wade

 

[effendude]

After having gone through three complete rebuilds of the rotator cuff on my right side, none of which were caused by recoil, and knowing you still have use of your arms I would hazard a guess your shoulders can get much worse. I actually don't think recoil does that much damage to the shoulder, some pain yes.

On a more serious note, you could borrow my 30-275 Ruger which I reamed for heavy Scenars without the brake and shoot a few relays to see how the recoil is. The 30-375 is pretty close to the 30 Nosler in capacity, if I had waited a year for the 26 Nosler to come out I would have opened up the 26 Nosler instead of necking down the 375 Ruger.

wade

I have two .300 ultramags, albeit with brakes, that I shoot the 230's with. Also a braked .30-378. These are 10# hunting rifles. Until Chris sweetens the pot, I might just use an old .30-338 sling rifle for a few relays some time.

I think that the case design and capacity is probably near ideal for overbore but not wasteful, given todays powders and bullets. I've got too much invest in the .300 RUM case to go back, at least for the time being.

Scott

 

[Ledd Slinger]

After having gone through three complete rebuilds of the rotator cuff on my right side, none of which were caused by recoil, and knowing you still have use of your arms I would hazard a guess your shoulders can get much worse. I actually don't think recoil does that much damage to the shoulder, some pain yes.

On a more serious note, you could borrow my 30-275 Ruger which I reamed for heavy Scenars without the brake and shoot a few relays to see how the recoil is. The 30-375 is pretty close to the 30 Nosler in capacity, if I had waited a year for the 26 Nosler to come out I would have opened up the 26 Nosler instead of necking down the 375 Ruger.

wade

I have a 338-375 Ruger and I shoot the Berger 250gr Elite Hunters. No brake. Recoil is brutal, but manageable. Run the 375 Ruger brass one time in my FL sizer and out comes 338-375 brass ready for prepping.

Was thinking about turning my 338-375 reamer down to 30 cal to shoot the heavy Bergers. How do you Iike the 30-375? Is forming from 375 to 308 a pain? Also curious about the speeds you are getting (please include bullet and barrel length) to see if there would be any ballistic advantage by dropping the case to 30 cal. Thanks.

 

[fredo]

Interesting niche the .30Nosler fits in.

Slightly more capacity than a .300WinMag & approaching that of a .300 Norma Mag (which requires a .590" bolt face).

Bonus points awarded for the un-belted case and the ability to run from a standard LA w/.532" bolt face.
The RUMS are monsters, but the .30Nosler seems to have addressed their c.o.a.l. constraints/limitations nicely...

Looks cool to me!

 

[rockrat]

Somewhere I remember a pic of someone necking down a 50 bmg to 17 cal. for grins!!!

 

[Grimstod]

Hardly any room to chace the lands and still fit in the magazine. I give them an E for effort.

 

[Toolbreaker]

Personally, I like the looks of it. My questions would be brass availability, quality and cartridge sustainability. I'd bet a shiny nickel that the shoulders on this cartridge start getting pushed back and re-formed in short order from a few experimenters...sort of splitting the difference between the parent case and the 300 WSM, but with a longer neck.

Either way, barrel life won't be great. Seems that the folks that go after these boomers usually aren't overly concerned about that part, though.

 

[hogpatrol]

Personally, I like the looks of it. My questions would be brass availability, quality and cartridge sustainability. I'd bet a shiny nickel that the shoulders on this cartridge start getting pushed back and re-formed in short order from a few experimenters...sort of splitting the difference between the parent case and the 300 WSM, but with a longer neck.

Either way, barrel life won't be great. Seems that the folks that go after these boomers usually aren't overly concerned about that part, though.

I'm just finishing up one with a Brux 1-9 on a Stiller action and you're right about the barrels.

 

[effendude]

I had a 1-10" Proof Research carbon wrapped barrel and Manners Carbon fiber stock at the smith for a build scheduled for completion the first of November, 2015. He called Monday and asked some questions about the project. When I found out he hadn't started yet, I told him to send back my 300RUM reamer and I immediately ordered a 30 Nosler from Kiff. It will be interesting how it performs.

Scott

 

[wwbrown]

And a detached retina.

-nosualc

Good point! The possibility of a detached retina from shooting big boomers is overlooked by many, but a real possibility.

 

[Alpine]

After looking at it, I'm still leaning towards the 300 Blaser. According to Norma, brass will be available in the USA this year for it.

 

[4xforfun]

I have only shot 1 LR "F" class match/ palma match....2 days and bout 200 rounds.... and shot my 1K IBS 300 WBY (weighted up to 22 lbs) 215/ Hybrid @3000+ fps. I didn't see any issue with recoil, but I am a masochist!!!