Rumor behind Federal primer packaging

[kenhwind]

I just think Federal uses the same box for the centerfire primers as the shotshell primers.

 

[ebb]

dgeesaman OSHA sent a picture of one of the masons that did installs on stone that I made the molds for to my friend that owned the company. The mason was running a Sthil gas powered concrete saw and he had no eye protection, no hearing protection, and no mask to filter particles of concrete from his lungs. In the background on the pool deck were all the PPE to protect the saw operator. Most of which had our company logo printed on the PPE. The operator choose not to wear the PPE. The fine over $5,000 was sent to the owner, he was told he was responsible for the mason not using it.

 

[trebor244]

Sounds like they believe in the tooth fairy too

 

[KMart]

dgeesaman OSHA sent a picture of one of the masons that did installs on stone that I made the molds for to my friend that owned the company. The mason was running a Sthil gas powered concrete saw and he had no eye protection, no hearing protection, and no mask to filter particles of concrete from his lungs. In the background on the pool deck were all the PPE to protect the saw operator. Most of which had our company logo printed on the PPE. The operator choose not to wear the PPE. The fine over $5,000 was sent to the owner, he was told he was responsible for the mason not using it.

Any time OSHA comes out and spends a week or two doing their investigation, there WILL be a fine. They go through all of your practices, procedures and records. They look at design and installation. They will find something that is wrong or they don't like. It is only a matter of how much the fine will be.

 

[ebb]

This guy came on the jobsite took a picture of this guy cutting stone and all of his PPE laying on the deck close by. Never said a word to anybody, sent a copy of the picture to my boss and a fine. I felt like if the boss provided the PPE and the OSHA guy knew he did the issue was on the employee. But OSHA in their mandate never holds worker responsible. I can see not making it financial, but make the worker attend school for the next 2 Saturdays or evenings for a week.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Can't be a marketing incentive. Most of us would buy ANY other primer than Federal, just to avoid their huge, stupid, awkward, packaging. jd

I shoot two primary cartridges in my Competition Rifles, 6PPC and 30BR, and I have shot nothing but Federal 205’s for 30 years.

 

[coldboreshot]

Nothing but a psychological ploy...
Large packaging leads the consumer to believe they are getting more for their money. Set a case (5000) of Feds next to CCI case.

 

[dgeesaman]

dgeesaman OSHA sent a picture of one of the masons that did installs on stone that I made the molds for to my friend that owned the company. The mason was running a Sthil gas powered concrete saw and he had no eye protection, no hearing protection, and no mask to filter particles of concrete from his lungs. In the background on the pool deck were all the PPE to protect the saw operator. Most of which had our company logo printed on the PPE. The operator choose not to wear the PPE. The fine over $5,000 was sent to the owner, he was told he was responsible for the mason not using it.

Damn.

I've never run a concrete saw but I've run chainsaws plenty and I always don PPE completely.

Was the guy fired summarily?

 

[ebb]

I think that the ability to replace him with someone even as remotely talented in masonry figured into his keeping his job. I know when I started as a carpenter, if you asked for glasses or a dust mask you were considered a sissy for even asking. I sometimes get in the middle of a project before even thinking of protection. It just wasn't the first thought.

 

[jds holler]

I think that the ability to replace him with someone even as remotely talented in masonry figured into his keeping his job. I know when I started as a carpenter, if you asked for glasses or a dust mask you were considered a sissy for even asking. I sometimes get in the middle of a project before even thinking of protection. It just wasn't the first thought.

Yeah most of us who have worked for the last fifty years have watched safety protocol evolve from basically nothing -- on up to where it's almost impossible to do a lot of the stuff that we used to do. That's not bad, but it's hard to get everyone on board, and we've all seen things go bad, and folks get hurt and killed. jd

 

[Ken6PPC]

Truck driver killed in explosion at Illinois ammunition plant

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is investigating the death of a truck driver at an ammunition plant in Madison County, Illinois, on Thursday.

cdllife.com

I would really like to know the details about how this happened. As a retired Safety Director, we had to do an analysis of every recordable accident corporate-wide, and I have investigated some things that seemed very unlikely, yet they still happened...

This one seems impossible!


OSHA report: https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/esta...aded the primer,truck and other flying debris.

 

[Ken6PPC]

I found this report from OSHA's investigation regarding the truck driver killed in the Illinois ammunition plant in 2023. It seems what was being transported was NOT finished primers, but primer MATERIAL.

I imagine a large quantity of primer material is more likely to explode than finished primers would be... Of course I am not an expert on these matters, having no first-hand knowledge of the process...

This doesn't diminish the loss of human life in any way, but it seems more plausible knowing that detail.

https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1678723.015

 

[Davidb187]

Mr. Lee in the 2nd Edition reloading book told about Federal primers being more sensitive than others Brands. Must come from somewhere.

 

[Davidb187]

Hence the extra Packaging.