Rimfire ammo?

[TrxR]

Hi I have been shooting Center X through my 40x for a while and it has been pretty good but was thinking about trying some Eley Match to see If I gained anything. My question is should I just start shooting the new ammo? Run a couple of dry patches through , or use some sort of cleaner first?

Thanks

 

[Shynloco]

Just for info, might try a box or two of Eley Black if you are going to want to jump from Lapua to Eley. I have a couple of shooting buddies shooting 40x's and they actually got better results from Eley Black than Eley Tenex Match...cheaper too. As for the patching question, it is HIGHLY recommended that anytime you switch from one manufacturer to another, even with "coated" ammo's, patch the barrel. I usually run a wet patch, followed by two or three dry patches whenever switching Match ammos and I shoot an Anschutz. BTW, I also usually shoot 15 -20 rds of the new ammo I'm going to shoot before shooting for effect to allow for the barrel to be well coated with whatever mixture of coating the new manufacturer might use. And there IS a difference between what Lapua, Eley and Federal (and other manufacturers) use to lube their bullets. Just my two cents worth and what works for me.

 

[TrxR]

Thats the stuff I was thinking of trying the black match EPS. I just go to find somewhere to get a 2 or three boxes to try.

 

[TrxR]

Here are the two targets I shot Sunday with average wind speed of 5 kilometers an hour. Im hoping to squeeze a few more points and x's out of it.

Im using a cowan front rest with a 3" Edgewood front bag , A protektor #14B.5CDSDBB w/Handle rear bag and I added a 3" track plate on the front of the rifle . Also using a Weaver t36. It also a Factory 1959 40x that has been bedded , recrowned and the trigger worked. Now some of my problems could very well be me as this is only my second year shooting.

Thanks

 

[Cabinetman]

Here are the two targets I shot Sunday with average wind speed of 5 kilometers an hour. Im hoping to squeeze a few more points and x's out of it.

Im using a cowan front rest with a 3" Edgewood front bag , A protektor #14B.5CDSDBB w/Handle rear bag and I added a 3" track plate on the front of the rifle . Also using a Weaver t36. It also a Factory 1959 40x that has been bedded , recrowned and the trigger worked. Now some of my problems could very well be me as this is only my second year shooting.

Thanks

You will not find any better people than this. Shooters, and have good pricing as well. If it's not shown as in stock, call. They will send test lots of anything they have in stock. https://www.goodshootinginc.com/index.php?ukey=home

 

[Cabinetman]

Here are the two targets I shot Sunday with average wind speed of 5 kilometers an hour. Im hoping to squeeze a few more points and x's out of it.

Im using a cowan front rest with a 3" Edgewood front bag , A protektor #14B.5CDSDBB w/Handle rear bag and I added a 3" track plate on the front of the rifle . Also using a Weaver t36. It also a Factory 1959 40x that has been bedded , recrowned and the trigger worked. Now some of my problems could very well be me as this is only my second year shooting.

Thanks

You will not find any better people than this. Shooters, and have good pricing as well. If it's not shown as in stock, call. They will send test lots of anything they have in stock. https://www.goodshootinginc.com/index.php?ukey=home

It's really very easy. Shoot target one, 50 times. Know big deal.

 

[Cabinetman]

Don't know who scored these targets for you. But anymore than half the bullet diameter, scores the next highest ring. I will shut up now. Give Cathy and Jim a call, they will help with the ammo.
Stay Safe
Mark

 

[TrxR]

I know you guys probably think these are a simple target, but the closest anyone in our clubs as come to a perfect target is 250 18x . Half of them are using full benchrest Anschutz. Now were are not allowed to run one piece rests and only a couple of guys run tuners. Also they have always scored best edge I guess it made it easier for them to score. Also thanks for the advice on the shop to call but its not a doable options for me in Canada.


Thanks

 

[TrxR]

What do you all think of eley team?

 

[lion]

Some of the eley team lot #s were really good. Unfortunately they don't make it any more. Wayne

 

[DOGCAPPER]

You need to clean very good between test lots of ammo....Don't look for the best results until after 15- 25 shots with the new lot of ammo
Carbon can build at the end of the chamber after a couple hundred rounds(some do and some don't) Use outboard motor tune up for good results on cleaning out carbon...Good Luck..LT

 

[TrxR]

What are you all using for cleaning solvent for your rimfires?

 

[Cabinetman]

It was not my intent to criticize your targets, or your shooting ability. It looked like you got shorted some X's is all I meant. I think what it is, a scoring ring doesn't show up in the pictures. Looked like pretty good shooting to me. The link I sent you, they stock, or try too stock most all Eley ammo. Get an Idea of what is current. They dropped some, and added some. It looks like your doing something that way.

 

[Cabinetman]

What are you all using for cleaning solvent for your rimfires?

A dry patch, if that. About the only time I use much more, is when I get a new to me gun. I use a patch Worm (www.patchworm.com) with some Bore Tech, rim fire blend solvent. Coated rod with nylon brush for worse case. The only metal (just me) that should be in a rim fire barrel is lead, headed out. I have a Anshutz 1813 Super Match that I did some ammo testing with no long ago. And again this is just me, opinions will vary. I did no cleaning from start to finish. I shot several different lots and flavors of Lapua up to Midius +, and Eley Tenex. It will take anywhere from 15-25 rounds to change out from one bullet lube to the next, clean bore or not. Most settled in around 15-20, Tenex took 25. Our local club has found that the Eley Match, Black Box EPS, is shooting the best at 100 yards. But who knows, lot to lot, day to day.
Stay Safe All
Mark

 

[Fotheringill]

You never know what is going to shoot best in your particular rifle.

Try all of the top shelf stuff, including, Lapua Midas+, RWS R-50 and certainly Eley Match or Eley Tenex.

Definitely clean wet and dry before changing ammo and don't count your first 20 or so shots.

Now the magic question- What are you folks doing to get rid of lead buildup in the chamber? I have started to use the Kleenbore deleading cloth and was astounded at what came out on the patch

DO NOT USE ABOVE NEAR ANY BLUED SURFACE.

 

[JG26_Irish]

thinking about trying some Eley Match to see If I gained anything. My question is should I just start shooting the new ammo? Run a couple of dry patches through , or use some sort of cleaner first?

I recently was doing some ammo testing on my Win Mod 52 tgt. RWS R-50, Eley Match (black box), Edge, Tenex, as well as several brands of low priced plinking ammo to see which it likes best. The good news is the old Winny likes almost anything you put thru it, but it shot the Eley black box the absolute best and really liked the $2.47 per box Federal std vel from Walmart (go figure??). Whatever reason, my gun did not care for Tenex, stringing the shots vertically. I cannot speak for others but I have a hard time maintaining focus after more than 100 rds. I have to take a break to rest the eyes.

Couple of observations. After cleaning my bbl, it takes about 4 shots before it will shoot at all, and another 20 or so, before it will print the best groups. It seems to settle down faster when switching ammo types if I do not clean the bbl first. After swabbing the bbl with Froglube (for storage) the thing shot patterns that looked like a shotgun for about 4-5 rds and then settled into placing them all in one hole. Not sure if that was because of or in spite of the FL, lol. When I do stop to change tgts or to rest a while, the bbl will cool and the first shot from a cold bbl is always about 1/4 inch higher. It is only that 1st one and settles down after that. Not a big deal but just one of the characteristics of this gun.

The 52 is an exceptionally good shooter and is quite sensitive to small changes.

Irish

 

[JG26_Irish]

You need to clean very good between test lots of ammo....Don't look for the best results until after 15- 25 shots with the new lot of ammo
Carbon can build at the end of the chamber after a couple hundred rounds(some do and some don't) Use outboard motor tune up for good results on cleaning out carbon...Good Luck..LT

I agree that cleaning between lots may be the best method, but the difference can be only marginal. For example:

I recently acquired a nice Rem 540XR and just this weekend installed a Sightron scope in place of the old Redfield peep sight. It was a bit tedious getting it zero'ed requiring three trips to the range to get it right. But after some fussing about, I did finally get it zeroed and today fired off seven groups with seven different ammo types to see how it did. Due to all of the back and forth to the range and time constraints, I did not bring my cleaning kit and had not cleaned the bbl for about 100rds while I was messing about with the scope. Once it was more or less zeroed, I proceeded to shoot 5 shot groups at 50yds. I did not clean between groups or ammo types nor did I shoot any rounds thru it when I changed ammo types before printing a group. The results were:

50yds from sandbags
1.) Aquila - bargain ammo. Used for zeroing the gun. Shot about 1/2" at 50yds.
2.) Hansen - 15 yr old std vel stuff that I found in my shooting box. Better than the Aquila. Would shoot most into one hole but always had a flyer.
3.) R50 - 0.279" c-c (good stuff, shot 1/2" below point of aim, but I was still getting it zeroed at this stage. Went up 4 clicks)
4.) Eley Black Match - 0.375" (this usually shoots better). All holes touching, with some horizontal variance due in part to wind and part to crappy marksman. Went up 4 more clicks
5.) Eley Edge - 0.279", same as the RWS but better centered in the ARA bull
6.) Winchester match tgt - 3-shots were grouped at 3/4", so I stopped after that. This is not really tgt grade ammo in my opinion.
7.) Eley 10x - 0.248" c-c (the best today)

All of the Eley and the RWS ammo shot beautifully and I am quite pleased so far. One five shot group with each is hardly a conclusive test but that was all I had time for today. Note: The bbl was quite dirty from previous scope zeroing efforts and the wind was moving my little flimsy tgt stand around some accounting for some of the bullet dispersion. I posted a pic of the best group. And will post another of a short run on the ARA tgt with one shot per bull at 50yds with the Eley Black.

Irish

 

[JG26_Irish]

16 rds on ARA practice tgt. Rem 540XR, at 50yds from bench on sand bags. Wind light from left to right ~5-7mph. Temp 45F. Eley Black match rifle ammo. Lot 1113-05129.

Irish

 

[JG26_Irish]

Rem mod 540XR - all factory with trigger adjusted to ~1lb.

Irish

 

[JG26_Irish]

Eley Edge at 50yds, 5 shots... Irish