Replace Trigger?

[Davey Boy]

I have a CIL 950C which is the Canadian built version of the 110C. I would like to change triggers. The trigger is held in by a setscrew. The instructions all show a little C-clip when swapping out triggers, ie. Timney or Rifle Basix. Does anyone know if the kits come with a new pin and C-clip as the triggers do not show a set screw on either type of trigger. If all fails I'm going to try a lighter spring .040" as the Original one is .059"

 

[rjtfroggy]

That is the old Savage "3 screw" trigger. Highly re guarded by the old timers that shoot Savages.
Go to www.savageshooters.com and do a search for 3 screw trigger there used to be a couple of good instructional post on how too adjust them.
It is an excellant trigger when adjusted properly.

 

[olddav]

Don’t replace it, tune it. The .040 wire spring is a solid first step. I have a Savage with a tuned three screw trigger set at or about 2.6# pull weight. It breaks crisp and clean. Great trigger for a hunting rifle!

 

[Davey Boy]

Froggy thank you for the site, may have to join it now. Have done all that they say and can get it down to just a tad under 3.5 lbs. but would like to go to around 2. Found a source of .039 and .047 spring wire so am going that route next. Will be several days yet to be able to get to it.
Thanks olddav for the reply, Glad to know that these triggers will tune with a little fiddling.

 

[olddav]

You can buy a “Buzz Bait” lure and cut a spring from it. It may seem a bit of a bubba fix but it does work and it’s readily available (at least where I’m from).

 

[Dgd6mm]

You can buy a “Buzz Bait” lure and cut a spring from it. It may seem a bit of a bubba fix but it does work and it’s readily available (at least where I’m from).

^^^^^^^

 

[Davey Boy]

Well I act like Bubba sometimes or so my wife tells me, so may as well Bubba it. I would have to go further to get a buzz Bait than the wire I have found, But if ther're out of the wire I may have to. Won't be shooting much more till spring now as it was -20C here last night -4F as you would read it.

 

[Davey Boy]

Ok I did it. Will check it out better when I get a chance to shoot it. The .039 wire was not enough to keep pressure on the trigger, whereas the .047 was. I got it down from approx. 4lbs. pull to about 2 1/4 lbs.
I banged it on the floor, slammed the bolt shut and no trigger activation. so I think it will be safe. Will test it out on a target once it warms up. Good thing I was able to do this because Rifle Basix does not include the pivot pin and C-clip that I would require, as my trigger has a set screw with pivot pin. A small part but essential to both Timney and RB triggers. Thanks for all the help fellas.

Dave

 

[Riesel]

If you have it set and have tested it and deem it safe, glue the screws with nail polish

 

[Davey Boy]

Already done.

 

[2506]

One other check that you need to do that many don't think about is take it out in the cold out side for a while and then check to see if it will stay cocked with the bang on floor and bolt slam. Learned the hard way a long time ago this lesson. When it gets really cold metal shrinks. I set a Remington trigger down to just under 2 lb in the summer when it was hot. When deer season came I went on a hunting trip in NC and it was down to about freezing the next morning. I had left my rifle in the truck all night. In the Northampton county I was hunting in it was against the law to even load your rifle until you were at least 8 feet off the ground and have written permission from land owner to use a rifle to deer hunt. I got to the tower stand and went to load my rifle and when I closed the bolt the firing pin followed it. Rifle did not go off but just would not cock or stay cocked. Latter when the rifle warmed up it would stay cocked. I had to readjust the trigger up to 2 1/2 lbs warm to get it to function when cold. Been set that way for about 30 years and has never failed.

 

[Davey Boy]

Never thought about that. Will check.

 

[Iowa Fox]

Ok I did it. Will check it out better when I get a chance to shoot it. The .039 wire was not enough to keep pressure on the trigger, whereas the .047 was. I got it down from approx. 4lbs. pull to about 2 1/4 lbs.
I banged it on the floor, slammed the bolt shut and no trigger activation. so I think it will be safe. Will test it out on a target once it warms up. Good thing I was able to do this because Rifle Basix does not include the pivot pin and C-clip that I would require, as my trigger has a set screw with pivot pin. A small part but essential to both Timney and RB triggers. Thanks for all the help fellas.

Dave

Where did you find the .047 wire and any tips and pointers on shaping it would be greatly appreciated. I've got one I need to do but thats going to be a January project when the cold weather has me inside.

 

[JEFFPPC]

One other check that you need to do that many don't think about is take it out in the cold out side for a while and then check to see if it will stay cocked with the bang on floor and bolt slam. Learned the hard way a long time ago this lesson. When it gets really cold metal shrinks. I set a Remington trigger down to just under 2 lb in the summer when it was hot. When deer season came I went on a hunting trip in NC and it was down to about freezing the next morning. I had left my rifle in the truck all night. In the Northampton county I was hunting in it was against the law to even load your rifle until you were at least 8 feet off the ground and have written permission from land owner to use a rifle to deer hunt. I got to the tower stand and went to load my rifle and when I closed the bolt the firing pin followed it. Rifle did not go off but just would not cock or stay cocked. Latter when the rifle warmed up it would stay cocked. I had to readjust the trigger up to 2 1/2 lbs warm to get it to function when cold. Been set that way for about 30 years and has never failed.

2506 you are smarter than most.

 

[Davey Boy]

Where did you find the .047 wire and any tips and pointers on shaping it would be greatly appreciated. I've got one I need to do but thats going to be a January project when the cold weather has me inside.

I got mine at PM Hobbycraft for $3.79 CDN for 4 pcs 2 feet long. 8 feet. Need less than 2". Most any hobby shop should have it as it is used to connect the radio controlled modules to the flaps, elevators and ruder.

I didn't bend it at all (.047"), maybe if I had bent the .039 wire it may have worked better. You could experiment with bending it right at the midway point. I have heard of doing this. The .039" music or piano wire as it is sometimes called is actually easier to come by as Ebay and Amazon has it in varying amounts. I'd send you some but the shipping/postal rates are more than the wire is worth from Canada.

The original Savage spring was .059".

I may well try bending some of the wire, god knows I have lots, and see if it has any different results, but that is only if I get bored.

Good luck and be careful.

 

[Davey Boy]

Actually Iowa Fox send me your address by PM and I will send some of the .039 and .047 wire to you. Not as expensive as I thought.

 

[rjtfroggy]

Try the .039 wire again, while tweaking the adjustment screws, it should work. If need be go back and follow the directions on the other web site. That .039-.040 wire seemed to work for all of those guys no reason it won't work for you.

 

[Davey Boy]

Froggy I was able to knock off 1.5 plus lbs. off the pull with the .047 to 2 1/4 lbs. I may try the light wire again but want to shoot it at this pull and see if its Ok. As I mentioned above I do have plenty to play with. Next time will experiment with bending the wire. I think that's the way they were able to safely do it.