Repeater Action for consistent .25MOA

[loudandproud]

Hello All,

I've built one rifle to date. It was a Savage M110 with a Lothar walther barrel chambered in 7mm WBY. The rifle is relatively accurate (.6xx MOA consistantly, occasional .2xx's) but now I want more.

I'm looking to build a consistent .25 MOA long range hunting rifle. I am try to keep the weight around 12-13lbs with optics.

I'm currently entertaining a Hart Barrel chambered in .338" Neck 300 WSM. I would turn norma brass for a diametric clearance of .003". 210 grain Berger VLDs.

Now... which action. Originally I was going to build the gun on a Savage PTA. Now i've decided that Im going to try to invest in a quality action and do this once.

Im currently looking for a benchrest quality, repeater action, capable of .25 MOA accuracy that can be had in a magnum bolt face. ??? Is there such a thing? BAT's, Stillers? ...etc.

Is there anything on the market that will suit my needs. My budget for an action is $1100, but Im not looking to compromise. I will search and wait for a used action before I compromise.

 

[expiper]

look at Stolle/Kelbly ,,Kodiak or F-class,,,,both can be repeaters and Mag bolt face,,,,feed and eject flawlessly and proven in every shooting discipline and in the field,,,,Roger

 

[hogpatrol]

I've only one Stiller TAC 300 that I barreled with a Brux in 6.5-284. It is set up for clip feed and functions fine. My vote and my next action will be a Stiller.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

Let me play devil's advocate here.

Building a rifle that will produce an honest .25 MOA consistently is a tall order for a rifle build of any description. To do so with a 12-13 pound repeater in a magnum cartridge seems beyond reason to me.

I think it is a heck of a goal, but I would be tickled with an honest half MOA rifle in that description.

All that aside, I think Stiller makes a heck of a nice action for your build.

Good luck with your project.

Keith

 

[JohnHenry]

+1 for comments by Busdriver.

 

[loudandproud]

Let me play devil's advocate here.

Building a rifle that will produce an honest .25 MOA consistently is a tall order for a rifle build of any description. To do so with a 12-13 pound repeater in a magnum cartridge seems beyond reason to me.

I think it is a heck of a goal, but I would be tickled with an honest half MOA rifle in that description.

All that aside, I think Stiller makes a heck of a nice action for your build.

Good luck with your project.

Keith

Keith,

I wont disagree with you. I am sure that I am asking for something, well, on the edge of possible. I plan on building a combo that will give me the best opportunity to reach my goal. I have stock savage .308's that are in the .3xx range consistantly at 100 yards.

Do you have a Stiller in particular that you would recommend?

 

[nra-for-life]

hmmm. Like others said it is a tall order for sure. I for one am always happy with a quarter minute. I'm sure with the right handload, a nice custom action and a great barrel, you can achieve this. I believe that some calibers are more just plain more accurate than others. I don't know why but the just are. I'm not super familiar with the 338 cartridge accuracy so correct me if I'm wrong here but I would look at the 6.5x284 based on your description of what you want. I think the 6.5x284 is considered one of the most accurate cartridges on the planet and considered to be more inherently accurate than the 338.

How do you see yourself using this rifle? what do you intend to hunt?? on a rest? a bi-pod? prone? what ranges do you intend to shoot at?

 

[loudandproud]

Well im not actually looking at a .338. I am looking to do a 300wsm with a tight neck (.338"). This should allow a decent neck turn on norma brass. Probably going to shoot for .0025 neck tension. I plan on turning my brass, wieght sorting and hold .0015" concentricity on my loads. I will invest in competition dies this time around.

I traditionally hunt long range off of a bench at the PA grand canyon. Whitetail and black bear. Range varies from 500-900 yards. I will not shoot at an animal over 800 yards unless its a coyote.

That being said... I plan on punching a lot of paper with the rifle. Im also interested in competing casually in some 600 yard egg and groundhog shoots.

 

[jonbearman]

Listen to expiper as he really knows what the deal is.The kelbly grizzly is a robust action and it fits under your money constraints.It has a basic footprint of a remington which will open up your selection of stocks to endless oportunity.The grizzly will take a remington style trigger which is a big plus,go jewel or if thats to much try a shilen.Barrel wise I would go brux,bartlein,kreiger etc.If they can cone the bolt and set it up for panda style barrels,you can buy lots of retired benchrest barrels if you need a cheap barrel to pund game with in the future.

 

[4xforfun]

Well im not actually looking at a .338. I am looking to do a 300wsm with a tight neck (.338"). This should allow a decent neck turn on norma brass. Probably going to shoot for .0025 neck tension. I plan on turning my brass, wieght sorting and hold .0015" concentricity on my loads. I will invest in competition dies this time around.

I traditionally hunt long range off of a bench at the PA grand canyon. Whitetail and black bear. Range varies from 500-900 yards. I will not shoot at an animal over 800 yards unless its a coyote.

That being said... I plan on punching a lot of paper with the rifle. Im also interested in competing casually in some 600 yard egg and groundhog shoots.

Let the gun tell you what neck tension it likes. I read way to many posts where it is proclaimed "I am going to use .xxx bushing" before the gun is ever fired/built.

As far as the action, I am a big BAT fan...take a look at their repeater action.

 

[loudandproud]

I was simply stating a starting point.

 

[clowdis]

Good luck!

 

[alf]

Bat makes a repeater, but they are softer steel than most and I wouldn't want a bat in the field.

Melanite will ease your worries.....

 

[NateHaler]

Let me play devil's advocate here.

Building a rifle that will produce an honest .25 MOA consistently is a tall order for a rifle build of any description. To do so with a 12-13 pound repeater in a magnum cartridge seems beyond reason to me.

I think it is a heck of a goal, but I would be tickled with an honest half MOA rifle in that description.

+1. And let's keep in mind that the rifle won't shoot itself, and you probably won't be hunting with windflags set up or in a tunnel. 8)

 

[loudandproud]

i know that I am capable of .25 moa accuracy off a bench otherwise I wouldnt be investing thousands of dollars into equipment.

I recognize that hunting conditions and range conditions are two differents things. My goal is to build a .25moa capable rifle. I do not expect it to hold that accuracy outside of ideal conditions.

Like I said... my savage holds .3xx-6xx consistantly during range conditions. I would expect a custom action premium barreled rifle with a nice jewell to beat it.

If the .25 MOA thing is throwing you guys off then ill refocus my objective. "Im looking to build the most accurate 12-14lb repeating magnum rifle I possibly can...what is the most accurate,most precise action on the market for my objective?"

 

[loudandproud]

I appreciate all of you other guys making suggestions. Ive been googling amd researching all of your suggestions all night.

The only one im having difficulty finding a ton of info on is the stolle grizzly. Is that discontinued?

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

AFAIK the Grizzly II is still available. Call or email Kelbly's if you want to know for sure.

Also: http://www.quarterminutemagnums.com/

 

[loudandproud]

I don't think building a .25 moa sporter is an issue. Shooting it to .25 moa may be. I was planning a very similar build. I was looking at the Borden and Pierce repeaters. Bat makes a repeater, but they are softer steel than most and I wouldn't want a bat in the field. Stiller makes a good action, but I would take a Pierce or Borden over a Stiller. The Pierce may be the best buy. They will make it in Titanium too.

Also, if your hunting from a bench, why the weight limit? Build a bench gun.

The weight limit is there because I do occasional hunt off a bipod amd would like to use this rifle to do that.

That pierce titaniu is sweet... that and a fluted light varmint barrel would make for a nice combo

 

[madderg]

For a repeater I would look to either a Stiller or maybe a Lawton.

 

[Bert]

I have a pierce action that is chambered in .300 wsm. It is a 10.5 lb repeater it will shoot .375 if i do my part. And it has shot better just tough to shoot the little sporter type stock Mine is built on a long action and the OAL is 3.115 with a 210 berger. Its going about 2775 fps with a 24" barrel. Great rifle. One of the ti actions with a fluted broughton barrel would be nice!!!!There are a bunch of other great options out there i just don't have any experience with them. All you can do is use the best componets and have them put together by a great smith. If you have any other questions let me know