Remington Pre-Primed Brass
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Twud: I never could figure that out either. Why buy the Remington, pre-primed, and, I assume, have the hazmat shipping charges. I'll be the one to decide what brand of primers I'll use. I stopped using Remington primers years ago, when the cups were rupturing, leaving burn holes in several of my bolt faces. Even today, when I look at a bolt face, I will see the burn holes, and I know without asking, that Remington primers are being used. In addition to all that, Lapua and Norma are far superior.
Most NPE,New Primed Empty) brass is done so for a very good reason. Economy. You have to understand that the big-kid cartridge manufacturers have machinery that is designed and set-up to produce loaded ammunition. For them to stop the production line before the case is primed would require changes in their machinery and that means higher cost. ,Call GM in Detroit and ask them if they will sell you one of their new cars, ready to drive, but without the paint.)
There was a time, not too many years ago but certainly in my lifetime, when the only way you could buy new brass was primed. In those days, providing brass for handloaders was more of a courtesy than anything else and most manufacturers discouraged handloading. That is changing, of course, and now there are any number of brass manufacturers that offer NUE,New Unprimed Empty) cases. But they are not usually set up to produce loaded ammunition and so their assembly line ends when the flash hole is punched or drilled.
The best thing you can do is exercise your buyer's option. Don't buy brass that you don't like. If enough shooters do that the BOD, at their next regular meeting in Pakistan, may see the light and start selling NUE but more likely they'll just stop making brass altogether and put their money into something that makes more money with less risk.:,
Lecture for today - support your local shooting gear manufacturers. When they are gone there'll be no more shooting.
Ray
There was a time, not too many years ago but certainly in my lifetime, when the only way you could buy new brass was primed. In those days, providing brass for handloaders was more of a courtesy than anything else and most manufacturers discouraged handloading. That is changing, of course, and now there are any number of brass manufacturers that offer NUE,New Unprimed Empty) cases. But they are not usually set up to produce loaded ammunition and so their assembly line ends when the flash hole is punched or drilled.
The best thing you can do is exercise your buyer's option. Don't buy brass that you don't like. If enough shooters do that the BOD, at their next regular meeting in Pakistan, may see the light and start selling NUE but more likely they'll just stop making brass altogether and put their money into something that makes more money with less risk.:,
Lecture for today - support your local shooting gear manufacturers. When they are gone there'll be no more shooting.
Ray
Cheechako: Yes, your explanation makes a lot of sense, and I can understand the reasoning, but, why are we able to buy Winchester, Federal, etc. brass, unprimed? They also make loaded ammo. And with some further thought: Remington does not offer loaded 6BR ammo, so with the 6BR brass, production line, it does stop after the primer pocker and flash hole is finished.
fd
Winchester, Federal, Norma, Lapua, etc either have their assembly line modernized or they are willing to pull brass from the line after the flash hole is punched or drilled but before it is primed. I don't know which it is. You'd have to ask them.
I would guess that the Remington machinery for punching flasholes and priming is set up to accomodate most brass with the 308W case head and is not exclusive to the BR.
The primer pocket itself is made on machinery that forges the case head to it's final shape and dimensions and stamps the headstamp. The next step involves a machine that punches the flash hole, then a pin drops down into the flashole to make sure it is there and then finally the primer is seated and another pin verifies that the primer is there.,Instead of pins they probably use lasers today)
It may also be that the 6mm BR brass is such a low profit item for them that they are not willing to stop the presses just for that particular case. You can buy other Remington cases unprimed so there is probably more to it than we know.
I suppose the reasoning is the same as to why you can buy Orowheat bread that is not sliced but you cannot buy Wonder bread that way.
As I said before - don't buy Remington brass that is primed. Everything today is $$$ driven and it's the only way you can influence how Remington,or whatever they are called today) does things. When the BOD is told that their 6mmBR primed brass isn't selling they will sit up and take notice. NOT.
Ray
Winchester, Federal, Norma, Lapua, etc either have their assembly line modernized or they are willing to pull brass from the line after the flash hole is punched or drilled but before it is primed. I don't know which it is. You'd have to ask them.
I would guess that the Remington machinery for punching flasholes and priming is set up to accomodate most brass with the 308W case head and is not exclusive to the BR.
The primer pocket itself is made on machinery that forges the case head to it's final shape and dimensions and stamps the headstamp. The next step involves a machine that punches the flash hole, then a pin drops down into the flashole to make sure it is there and then finally the primer is seated and another pin verifies that the primer is there.,Instead of pins they probably use lasers today)
It may also be that the 6mm BR brass is such a low profit item for them that they are not willing to stop the presses just for that particular case. You can buy other Remington cases unprimed so there is probably more to it than we know.
I suppose the reasoning is the same as to why you can buy Orowheat bread that is not sliced but you cannot buy Wonder bread that way.
As I said before - don't buy Remington brass that is primed. Everything today is $$$ driven and it's the only way you can influence how Remington,or whatever they are called today) does things. When the BOD is told that their 6mmBR primed brass isn't selling they will sit up and take notice. NOT.
Ray
Not so... in the production line, the cases must be annealed and polished, BEFORE being primed.. .After polishing, they can be boxed and sold... or put back n the line to be primed.[/QUOTE]
Cat shooter
"Not so" right back at you.
Brass goes through a whole series of draws and anneals. After the final anneal and polishing they go to the flashole punching and priming machine which does both operations. See my post above.
Ray
Cat shooter
"Not so" right back at you.
Brass goes through a whole series of draws and anneals. After the final anneal and polishing they go to the flashole punching and priming machine which does both operations. See my post above.
Ray
It's all about the money. Whether the reasons are technical, mechanical, or otherwise is all secondary. To me, it's a wonder that corporations, such as whoever owns Remington these days, even makes brass cases to begin with.
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