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Remington Firing pin spring - what to replace with

I Just replaced the firing pin spring on a Remington 700 I use for 600 yd F class. I replaced it because I was getting some vertical and the original was ~ 19lbs. There are numerous options for replacements. The one I purchased was quite a bit longer but the spring weight in the firing position was ~24 lbs. However, the weight at the fired position is much higher than the original spring. Seems like this is a good thing but looking for input. Cocking still seems smooth so I don't consider that an issue. Mainly wonder about affects on ignition.

Any reference to good reading material on this is appreciated also.
 
Greg Tannel has had some springs made with slightly smaller wire and more coils. I like mine.

Boyd

Thanks for the reply. The spring I installed came from Greg. When I ordered, he was kind enough to explain why he has them made the way they are. I ordered the standard and chrome silica. I'm currently trying the standard spring. Just installed one of the chrome silica springs in a buddy's rifle yesterday. I changed a number of things at one time so cant really say if it had an effect. I'm struggling to get back to the same group size I started the season with. Below is my 1st relay (200 14x) from yesterday with very good shooting conditions. During testing at 200 yd with this tune my vertical was ~ .35 MOA but my horizontal opened up.

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Boyd

Thanks for the reply. The spring I installed came from Greg. When I ordered, he was kind enough to explain why he has them made the way they are. I ordered the standard and chrome silica. I'm currently trying the standard spring. Just installed one of the chrome silica springs in a buddy's rifle yesterday. I changed a number of things at one time so cant really say if it had an effect. I'm struggling to get back to the same group size I started the season with. Below is my 1st relay (200 14x) from yesterday with very good shooting conditions. During testing at 200 yd with this tune my vertical was ~ .35 MOA but my horizontal opened up.

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A new spring will always help. Its a consumable item. You can make them last longer by leaving your rifle in the fired position for storage. Your horizontal opened up due to wind. Its cheap insurance to replace every firing pin spring every year- or at least check it on a bathroom scale compared to when new.
 
Just out of curiosity, what class are you shooting in, and what caliber?

I'm shooting 600yd F Bench. St. Louis and Big Piney have this class at their local shoots. Equivalent to F open except shot off the bench. Shooting a Dasher, 107 SMK, 33.1 grn Varget (3,000 fps), trued Remington action with PTG bolt (set up with 0.238 FP fall), Brux 28" 7.5 tw
 
A new spring will always help. Its a consumable item. You can make them last longer by leaving your rifle in the fired position for storage. Your horizontal opened up due to wind. Its cheap insurance to replace every firing pin spring every year- or at least check it on a bathroom scale compared to when new.

I agree they should be considered consumables - bought 3 of them when I ordered. I'm really just trying to learn how to select the correct spring for a given shooting format. Relatively new and don't have experience with selecting the correct spring. From what I've read it sounds like lock time may be important for some formats but not so much for bench rest. Seems like the longer springs will provide more energy. I assume this is a good thing?

Not saying wind was not a contributor but I do have other dynamics going on that show up in my ladder testing at 200 yds. When I get my vertical down in the 0.1s MOA the horizontal goes wide. I basically settled on a compromise to even out the vertical and horizontal. The target above was shot in the best conditions I've shot in during a match - light breeze with slow changes.
 
Have you played with seating depth or neck tension?

Seating depth yes - I've worked from 5 in to 25 out.

Neck tension - Yes/No - I started off with a borrowed bushing and did not resize the necks with a mandrel. Once I got mine, I also started using a mandrel to size the necks. Seating pressure is more consistent but definitely less than when I worked up the load. Muzzle velocity and ES did not seem to be affected. I have a mandrel die body and collet on order from Porters Precision. I plan to order several mandrel sizes to try a little more tension. I believe I'm currently running about 20 lbs neck tension (~0.036-0.042 with a light spring pack on a KM arbor press). I sorted my loads for the match by neck tension. The last relay was with the lightest neck tension. It was also my worst relay (200 14x, 200 13x, 198 9x) although I believe mostly due to missing a condition change.
 
I agree they should be considered consumables - bought 3 of them when I ordered. I'm really just trying to learn how to select the correct spring for a given shooting format. Relatively new and don't have experience with selecting the correct spring. From what I've read it sounds like lock time may be important for some formats but not so much for bench rest. Seems like the longer springs will provide more energy. I assume this is a good thing?

Not saying wind was not a contributor but I do have other dynamics going on that show up in my ladder testing at 200 yds. When I get my vertical down in the 0.1s MOA the horizontal goes wide. I basically settled on a compromise to even out the vertical and horizontal. The target above was shot in the best conditions I've shot in during a match - light breeze with slow changes.

The only time you want a fast lock time is in offhand or sling shooting where youre not rock solid. You give up accuracy to make the rifle go off when you want it to as fast as possible. Any other time you want as much energy as possible. The longer springs can bunch up and drag in the bore of the bolt body and vibrate weird. Theres nothing better than a factory sized spring in the heaviest weight they offer.
 
Just switched one of my Stolle actions ( same as Remington pin spring) to one of those 28# Wolff firing pin springs. That's more than the stock 24# springs and i wanted to try one. Had a Tubbs Duo Spring in that on that was showing some "proud" to the primers on occasion. Seems to have ended that issue.
 
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Way back in 2006-7 I chambered up a bbl. in 6XC and put it on a Rem. action because that cartridge was all the rage.
At that time I had to have every high speed-go fast thing there was. While following the 6XC craze I bought one of Tubbs lightweight, firing pins and the spring that came with it. My groups immediately went small to patterns. BIG patterns! Having made no other changes, I put the OEM pin and spring back in and the small groups came back with it.
Needless to say, those parts found a new home in short order.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd
 
Boyd

Thanks for the reply. The spring I installed came from Greg. When I ordered, he was kind enough to explain why he has them made the way they are. I ordered the standard and chrome silica. I'm currently trying the standard spring. Just installed one of the chrome silica springs in a buddy's rifle yesterday. I changed a number of things at one time so cant really say if it had an effect. I'm struggling to get back to the same group size I started the season with. Below is my 1st relay (200 14x) from yesterday with very good shooting conditions. During testing at 200 yd with this tune my vertical was ~ .35 MOA but my horizontal opened up.

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By any chance did you have clouds moving in and out during that string. That vertical looks exactly like the vertical I get at 600 yards when the Mirage comes and goes it’s the old sling shooter adage lights up sites up.
 
By any chance did you have clouds moving in and out during that string. That vertical looks exactly like the vertical I get at 600 yards when the Mirage comes and goes it’s the old sling shooter adage lights up sites up.

It was pretty much overcast all day. Mirage was a little tough to see. I know that can be a factor but have not learned how much and when to compensate yet. Could have been a factor during my 200 yd testing.
 
By any chance did you have clouds moving in and out during that string. That vertical looks exactly like the vertical I get at 600 yards when the Mirage comes and goes it’s the old sling shooter adage lights up sites up.

I don't mean to say your theory is wrong..

...but that adage applies only to blade front sights aiming at 6 o'clock hold.

Most any other sighting system, and even a blade when aimed center mass, is not so affected.
 
Way back in 2006-7 I chambered up a bbl. in 6XC and put it on a Rem. action because that cartridge was all the rage.
At that time I had to have every high speed-go fast thing there was. While following the 6XC craze I bought one of Tubbs lightweight, firing pins and the spring that came with it. My groups immediately went small to patterns. BIG patterns! Having made no other changes, I put the OEM pin and spring back in and the small groups came back with it.
Needless to say, those parts found a new home in short order.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

No telling how many rifles i have fixed by putting a proper fire control unit back in
 
I don't mean to say your theory is wrong..

...but that adage applies only to blade front sights aiming at 6 o'clock hold.

Most any other sighting system, and even a blade when aimed center mass, is not so affected.
I used to think the same thing. Less mirage, clear view makes the ring of white more pronounced so you hold higher. I get that. However; I think there is more to it, and here is my basis for that, and it makes some sense in the context of what the shooter says his conditions were like. (I'll get to that at the end)

Over the last couple of yrs I've managed to get my F-TR rifles tuned to the point that if there is vertical on the target it's not the rifle, it's either I pulled a shot or something on the range is causing it. I really started to notice this in Canada last yr. We often had really heavy mirage, I'd be holding V-ring vertical, the targets would go clear (sun behind a cloud) and bang, top of the 5-ring at 900 yds, every time. I started holding the bottom of the V-ring every time I saw it go clear. The US team noticed it to. In the Canadian Championship team match at least they would shut down the shooters if it happened in a team match. I wasn't on that end of the line in the FCWC to see what they did then.

Below is a target I shot a couple of weeks ago at 600 yards. I cleaned this, so did the shooter next to me. I ended up with like 9Xs, he had 13. The scorers told me after the match that he and I both got a high shots on the mirage change late in the match and he dialed down and I didn't. In this case we went from heavy mirage to clear.

In the case of the shooter above he had little mirage for the most part, but if it did pick up during the string, look at his vertical displacement. It is almost identical to mine, just in the opposite direction. with the opposite condition.He doesn't have any bottom of the X-ring shots, he's got two distinct elevation sets.
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Granted, this is only two examples, but it seems to have merit here.
 
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Had simply changed out Wolff springs each winter, the first few years of shooting Rem 700 actions and clones. Switched to the Chrome Silicone springs circa 2002 and never looked back. The springs will take a very small set the first season, but never change after that.

Lock time was never an issue for prone because i never had any idea when it was going to go bang. BUT, I wanted it to go bang every time, consistently.
 

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