I have been a fan of Big Green for over 60 years. My grandpa sold them in his hardware store and I collected ads and the like from an early age. My years of fond memories from gentlemen and my father whether it be shotguns or rifles. I have had many through the years and enjoy them and the history that follows them. I have heard the declining quality issues of past ownership and thankfully none I have or have owned suffered. I am saddened by the continued bashing Remington gets now from the sins of the past. I have seen what they have done to combat those past issues and have relocated in a more gun-friendly part of our nation. I heard first hand of the challenges they faced when they purchased Marlin with disgruntle Marlin employees sabotaging equipment and creating havoc and quality issues that could not be overcome. Now I understand they are trying to rebuild with a new facility and modern equipment to bring them back to the level that made them Americas oldest and top gun manufacturer. Still I hear and see written remarks that are unflattering and negative from people who may have never owned, shot or experienced a Remington. Others push other makes and of foreign manufacturers. I doubt most have even experienced those they choose over the Remington. Myself, I have high hopes for Remington to succeed as it an American company with history, employed by American workers and fights to keep our 2nd Ammendment and we Americans free.
Remington bashing
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NZ_Fclass
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I have always been a Remington fanboy -BTW - they are foreign to me - but I only have 1 currently.
I have 4 Tikka's. They work out of the box, dont need the action face machined or the threads chased. The bolt release/stop isn't a bit of bent tin and a Sako extractor doesn't need fitting, as it already has it.
I do hope that Remington do get their act together - but it was their, likely their accountants, choice, to join the race to the bottom with the awful 710 and later 783, damaging their brand. The Apha promised - but...I have never seen one in a gun shop here.
Remington no longer make anything that I want. Bring back a properly engineered and finished single shot 700 - I'll buy 2.
I have 4 Tikka's. They work out of the box, dont need the action face machined or the threads chased. The bolt release/stop isn't a bit of bent tin and a Sako extractor doesn't need fitting, as it already has it.
I do hope that Remington do get their act together - but it was their, likely their accountants, choice, to join the race to the bottom with the awful 710 and later 783, damaging their brand. The Apha promised - but...I have never seen one in a gun shop here.
Remington no longer make anything that I want. Bring back a properly engineered and finished single shot 700 - I'll buy 2.
rdremsek
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When they can't get there imports anymore they will wish remington was still in business or when they can't get parts for there imports they will cry even harder .I have owned remington rifles all my life maybe 1 bad one also remington 700 is the most copied action out there that's saying something for them just my thoughts
DShortt
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In the case of Remington, I think it's the failure to maintain a level of production quality that meets expectations.
It doesn't matter if you concepted and built the most successful mousetrap of all time. If you start selling mousetraps that aren't known to catch mice, there will be consequences.
It's not unique to Remington. Many companies have suffered the same fate for various reasons.
And it's not 'bashing' if there's truth to it.
It doesn't matter if you concepted and built the most successful mousetrap of all time. If you start selling mousetraps that aren't known to catch mice, there will be consequences.
It's not unique to Remington. Many companies have suffered the same fate for various reasons.
And it's not 'bashing' if there's truth to it.
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STOMP442
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I own several Remington's from varying time periods and varying levels of quality and I own several Tikkas. There really is no question on which one is manufactured better. The problem lies in why they are both similar in cost, but one has a much higher quality of work and several better features than the other. Don't get me wrong, I love my Remington's and they have their place but I also feel like they could have tried a little harder and took a little more pride in their work, especially in the latter years to keep up with the times and changing business environments. Instead they relied on their reputation and history and never really innovated anything other than ways to ruin a trigger.
DShortt
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Nailed it.
When it's apparent obvious problems are being ignored,......
Those companies do not survive.
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jds holler
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I'm not "in the business", but it seems that in this day of CNC there should be no problem maintaining consistent and accurate, and repeatable quality with these actions that are apparently the most popular design ever created.
These days you can get "low budget" cheap azzed AR's and AR parts, from a bunch of different and un-related companies and manufacturers, and the one problem they don't seem to have is incompatibility with each other. I'm sure it happens, but I've been amazingly lucky.
With the equipment and technology of today, it's no less expensive to manufacture inconstant specs than accurate to spec. jd
These days you can get "low budget" cheap azzed AR's and AR parts, from a bunch of different and un-related companies and manufacturers, and the one problem they don't seem to have is incompatibility with each other. I'm sure it happens, but I've been amazingly lucky.
With the equipment and technology of today, it's no less expensive to manufacture inconstant specs than accurate to spec. jd
DShortt
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Excellent example. It was very prevalent a few years ago. Folks were taking a pile of parts from a hodgepodge of sources and putting them together. Called themselves 'builders'. And they worked nearly every time.
Assemblers at best.
But before I stray too far off topic, the point is. If it's possible to take a basket full of random parts and assemble a semi-auto, why, oh why can it be difficult to maintain quality with a design arguably introduced in the early 60's from the original manufacturer?
Very difficult situation to defend.
Bashing? Hardly.
But we've seen it multiple times. Take an established name and reputation, buy it, strip it down to nothing and milk every dime possible from it.
Still occurring everywhere you look to this day.
In the gun culture world, this is the most bone-headed move ever.
Remington set the standard with the 700. And they gutted the Golden Goose.
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ELR LVR
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I'm in your camp, I have several Rem 700's, 660's, 788's etc
Not one have I experienced an issue with, even primary extraction
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I have READ of the horror stories of such things as
"New gun with no rifling in the barrel"
Ok sure, I get chit happens, and sometimes something slips by QC
But by and large, over the whole spectrum of 100's of 1000's of Remmy's made
do not experience this as a Norm
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I even bought a brand new BDL last your to build a .284 on for a Long Action
Not one issue with that NEW RECENT Remington.
It was as great, as i remember an old "B" series and straight, flat, etc.
Both lugs even contacted,
- build went great
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I think it's just a game of numbers
if you sample 1 Million people yeah sure, you're gonn get 15 or so that had a horror story that may
prejudice their feelings about the brand or the product.
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Now the only thing I don't like about Rem, is I loved their original triggers
Now they will not even put their own trigger in anymore due to people bashing them
which ruins what used to be a great product for eveyone else
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Whatever, some people have one bad experience and incorrectly judge the whole company
I reallly Really Like my 700's and can say they seem to operate smoother the more you use them and break them in, bolt slide/bolt closure. and if a guy uses some polishing compound on the surfaces, will operate as smooth as a custom.
Bolt to raceway fit may not be as tight, but, that can be remedied
From the factory - they are intended to be able to operate out in the field in field conditions
So yeah, thats really the only thing that is a factor in my opinion which should be improved at home
for an accuracy standpoint.
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NDSU
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This. Better said/written than I could have and it’s accurate to a T.
rdremsek
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blame the lawyers for the trigger problem everybody is chasing the ambulance these days if you don't like the trigger upgrade to a better one if they put a trigger tech in it it would cost more and everyone doesn't like a trigger tech either custom actions don't come with a trigger just my 2 cents
I have worked with well over 100 Remington actions over the last few years. RR and RAR prefix. The front was square, headspace was within 0.002. Bolts could be swapped between actions if you wanted. Primary extraction would be fine for the 95% of users who shoot saami pressure loads. What more should Remington do?
DShortt
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Maybe never to have gotten as complacent as they did to begin with?
Credibility is difficult at best to regain once lost.
dryhumor
When an old man dies, a library is lost forever...
This^^^
The ones they made were pretty good. Can’t imagine why they stopped. Nor can I imagine why they didn’t market them effectively as complete rifles.
Seems the new Remington could do well to revisit these.
WSnyder
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Are you forgetting that the new Remington isn't the old Remington? They aren't the same people. How can you hold the new owners responsible for the problems of old Remington? Now if they create new issues for themselves then by all means bash them for that.
The primary extraction thing is overblown and thrown around on the internet. Most can get away with zero or near zero and never know anything different.
mike mccormick
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^^^^^^ this. The old remington is dead and gone. The new remington has addressed the ills of the old .
Woollybugger
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Can’t find a 700 remington on the shelf anywhere to even look at one. market share is tough when you can’t get them on the shelf.
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