Remington 700
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Because they expect the buyer to use factory ammo,, and their factory ammo to boot,,
And expect the buyer to be content with SAMMI Specs including mediocre accuracy out of the box.
As soon as you modify anything you in effect void the warrenty even if it improves accuracy.
Face it, we reload, that's why we're on this forum, modifying guns and ammo happens to be our bag, we enjoy finer more reliable accuracy, yet we still represent a smaller percentage of the gun buyers out there.
At least that's my take on it.
And expect the buyer to be content with SAMMI Specs including mediocre accuracy out of the box.
As soon as you modify anything you in effect void the warrenty even if it improves accuracy.
Face it, we reload, that's why we're on this forum, modifying guns and ammo happens to be our bag, we enjoy finer more reliable accuracy, yet we still represent a smaller percentage of the gun buyers out there.
At least that's my take on it.
necchi said:
You nailed it........
They are only interested in the "MASS" market.
CaptainMal
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Remington must know most buyers are blatant idiots with a rifle. At my hunting camp most buy a rifle with $30 Bushnell blister-packed junk or Simmons, because it's cheap. That box of shells might have been bought in 1973 and there are still 12 left in the box.
Never clean or "break-in" a barrel. Take a shot. That's also a joke as barrels are laid directly on a box or just held on an elbow. One shot and a hit anywhere on a 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper is "good enough". Remington may know that any barrel that's "loose" in the stock is bad.
Now never clean the gun - ever. Shoot at deer from 30 to 75 yards and hit a few. Five years from now there will still be 4 shells left in that old box.
Just grind them out when you disassemble to bed and set the trigger.
Never clean or "break-in" a barrel. Take a shot. That's also a joke as barrels are laid directly on a box or just held on an elbow. One shot and a hit anywhere on a 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper is "good enough". Remington may know that any barrel that's "loose" in the stock is bad.
Now never clean the gun - ever. Shoot at deer from 30 to 75 yards and hit a few. Five years from now there will still be 4 shells left in that old box.
Just grind them out when you disassemble to bed and set the trigger.
CaptainMal,
Your reply is cynical.. but very true. At my shooting spot, I'll see hunters "zeroing" their rifles before deer season. You can tell when the season is going to start by all the 7 mag, 270, and other hunting brass you see on the ground.
I've seen some pretty stupid people out there. I mean... they'll show up with the rifle, ammo, and nothing else... no table, chair, or even a target or target stand.
I've seen a guy resting his barrel on a mono pod stick. :
We try to help these guys... let them use any of our gear to get set up, but it's pretty discouraging to see some of these jokers.
Your reply is cynical.. but very true. At my shooting spot, I'll see hunters "zeroing" their rifles before deer season. You can tell when the season is going to start by all the 7 mag, 270, and other hunting brass you see on the ground.
I've seen some pretty stupid people out there. I mean... they'll show up with the rifle, ammo, and nothing else... no table, chair, or even a target or target stand.
I've seen a guy resting his barrel on a mono pod stick. :
We try to help these guys... let them use any of our gear to get set up, but it's pretty discouraging to see some of these jokers.
WayneShaw said:
I don't know but Browning, Winchester, Tikka, Howa, and CZ free float the barrels and and the ones I've owned or fellow shooter I know who own them all shot very well out of the box (granted with reloads tune to the gun) . Bell and Carlson, HS, and Hogue rifle stocks are free floated. I'm not suggesting that free floating automatically creates a tack driver but it seems like a good place to start. I mean that plastic stock moving agaisnt the front end of the barrel can't be good, can it?
I think Savage also free floats their barrels, but I'm not sure.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard with one beautiful piece of wood on it.I can throw an axe at 100 yards and group better. It is on my bench as we speak and the pressure point is now GONE. I have opened up all the spots along the barrel that was making contact. I also opened up around the lug and action.I am going to bed it this weekend. It is a 22-250. This is the last rodeo for this gun then its a new tube or to the chopping block.
Some believe ( Remington included?), that a lightweight sporter contour barrel, the ones that are pencil thin, will shoot better with the pressure pads at the forend tip. I had one a very long time ago, removed the wood "bump" & the groups ( more like clusters) did open up even larger with the barrel free floated. Used Brownell's Accuraglass & put upward pressure on the barrel & the "groups" returned to their previous slightly smaller size. Will it work every time, with every rifle? Probably not, and I have no interest in finding out. I gave up on the mass produced factory rifles a long time ago.
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
The newer VTR remington is in a hogue and there is definite up pressure on the triangular barrel. Unfortunately its a tack driver. It will shoot(308) under a half inch all day with high quality bullets.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard plastic stock in 22-250 the wife got me several years ago that will shoot reloads half MOA at 100 all day long. I have shot several Coyote and one doe with it and very happy with it for what it is. sounds like I need to check the barrel clearance.
Sounds like yall agree that barrel support is detrimental to accuracy and so do I, but there is bound to be a technical reason why there doing it. Does anyone know why?
Sounds like yall agree that barrel support is detrimental to accuracy and so do I, but there is bound to be a technical reason why there doing it. Does anyone know why?
What i have been told about the pressure point is if the gun doesnt meet the accuracy guarantee then they start to play with different stocks with more or less pressure. Im not sure how true it is but i know they arent going to scrap the gun or start doing accuracy packages on it. My Remmy model 7 in 308 with a little pencil barrel wouldnt shoot anything under 1.5". I ordered a thumbhole laminated stock and bedded a full 3" of barrel and also the action. The first 3 loads i tried produced under 3/4" 3 shot groups at 100 yards.
I once had a Weatherby MK V in 300 Weatherby that shot 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. I bedded the action and took out the pressure bump in the end of the stock out and the groups shrank in half..
Well i hope the Vanguard that is sitting on my bench does the same but the groups need to shrink about 80% for it to have a home in my safe. I was going to bed it today but got called into work.It is a 22-250
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