Remington 700 Cdl 30-06 wont shoot a group

[relyt530]

Not sure where to start but bought a rem700 cdl in hs precision stock and the thing wont shoot a group no matter what. I have tried load after load and seating, using on 2.725 ogive. 150,165,180 wont shoot. I can shoot two close and 3rd shot is off by 3.5 inch. The rifle is throwing shots all over the target (2x2 target) i am getting over a foot high and foot right on some loads. The overall spread between loads is over a foot in either direction. Need some help figuring this out.

 

[masterblaster1]

Did you remount scope, remount action in stock, try some white box ammo??

 

[jonbearman]

The first thing to check is your scope mounting,remove scope and check to see if the scope blocks are really tight or are the screws tightening before they tighten the block down,then check your bedding and screws to make sure it isnt loose or overtightened,should be 65 inch pounds on the hs precision aluminum bedding block type stock. If all is tight check to see if the barrel is freefloated by running a sheet of paper between the barrel channel and barrel.Then you need to check to see if the barrel is all coppered up or a carbon ring in the chamber just ahead of the area where the cartridge neck ends and there is alittle space going into the throat of the barrel. next get it scoped by a competent gunsmith who has a hawkeye borescope.Have him check the crown etc.What is your cleaning regimen?

 

[Larryh128]

Something is loose or it wouldn't throw 1 out. Sounds like a bedding issue to me.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

If its like mine, you have to wait untill the barrel is totally cool between shots. Usually it will put 2 close and throws the third due to barrel heat. If I wait 5-10 minutes per shot it will shoot .5- .75

 

[relyt530]

I have cleaned it thoroughly until all copper is gone.. I have never had a rifle throw rounds all over the place. I have tightened everything and switched scopes this am and shot in 6 degree weather..I have no confidence in the rifle at this point. I can't imagine waiting 5-10 mins before taking a 3rd shot. One weird thing is getting brass residue on bolt face, which is strange. I put a new trigger on it and could barely get the screws out since they were tightened to 110lbs+ (estimated). Also not getting much speed out of the barrel compared to velocity it should produce based on charge tables. My dad has shot for 50 years and is more frustrated than I am, and has never seen a rifle do this. Needless to say I went and bought a tikka today in same cal, and that was based on my tikka 270 results..which can be sub .75 on 3 shot group. I am going to have the bore looked at soon, but think stock may have a crack or loose pillar causing action to move. But I can tell you it's somewhere in the action, stock, barrel, ammo, or anything else with the rifle...lol.

 

[bheadboy]

did you buy the rifle new? if so call Rem, send it to them,

if not, consider, check he fired case sizes vs spec, are they "round", check the locking lugs is one "polished" and the other not? are they smooth or scared?
is the face of the bolt polished on one area and not on another?
is the area of the action where the lugs turn clean?

it sounds to me like something in the bolt/lug area is not true and torqueing

Bob

 

[jonbearman]

Could the barrel be loose? When you reload,how do you determine how to properly set up your sizing die,do you take it down to the shell plate or off the shell plate.It could be a combination of things,like I said is the barrel truly free floated?Take the bedding screws out and take a phillips screw driver that will fit inside the pillar and rock it around gently to see if the pillars or bedding block has broken free. It may also be that the barrel is junk.

 

[areaone]

Well, the original post is my son,I have dinked around with this rifle for a week, new brass, necked size full sized, you name it. Five powders, three primers, six bullets, moderate loads max and even pushing a little over max, no pressure signs.rechecked rings etc. After 50 yrs of shooting and reloading, this is not my first Goat Rope, I can say I am baffled. We shot this am, 6 degrees, no wind and we are getting 2 to 4 inch groups, hard for me to handle when I am used to .25 groups from a 6.5x47L. This barrel is a bit.. To clean, filthy patch after patch with only 20 shots, coppers up too much for me also. Bot it used, perfect condition exterior, supposedly shot very little, previous owner can not believe our results......hmmmmmm.
Will try a few of the suggestions posted and truly appreciate everyone's contribution. Will pull it out of the stock to see if anything appears out of the ordinary, also will get the barrel scoped, I think it is the barrel. After putting almost 75 down then tube, I have had on two occasions first two touch and throws the last down and to the right about 1.5 inches. Everything else is erratic, I can load the same powder, load,primer with three different 180!gr and they will print 6 to 10 inches apart in 2 to4 inch groups. No consistency from day to day .

 

[bheadboy]

check the crown
Bob

 

[jonbearman]

I would guess the previous owner or even before him probably shot garbage ammo out of it and cleaned it from the crown with a nice aluminum rod and wore the riflings down in the crown region,maybe by cutting it down if that proves correct and recrown like Bob suggested may cure the ills.Technically it is in the wrong stock as the classics I have owned all had pressure points near the end of the barrel channel.They were in walnut stocks with a end cap on the end of the stock.I know that might not seem important but remington put that pressure point on the pencil tubes for a reason.

 

[savagedasher]

First thing I would try is a different scope. A friend that had one that shot very well and he to the range a week later. And it was all over like yours. Larry

 

[LHSmith]

Other scope was tried....see post 5. How about the rings/bases.....were the rings lapped?....or at least were the scope tubes sitting flush to the ring bottoms before the top halves were attached? I'm thinking misalignment causing scope tube to contort. I'm guessing the stock is aftermarket? in which case the action screws may be too long ...does the bolt have a burnish mark? Check for dirt in the stocks lug recess....or it may never have been deep enough- lug should never touch bottom. H/S stocks are notorious for the alum. bed block to be molded in improperly..i.e. barreled action canted . Check if the bolt face is touching the barrel---another burnish mark.
When running a tight patch through a clean bbl, does it feel grossly different from other factory bbls. you have on hand?

 

[John from MN]

LHSmith made some excellent suggestions, as did a few other guys.

Make sure the bolt handle is not touching the stock. Also make sure the trigger is floating and not rubbing the stock or the bottom metal.

Check the bolt nose counterbore in the barrel for debris. It's an unlikely cause given the drastic nature of your problems, but worth a look.

 

[savagedasher]

I don't see how a gun can shoot over a foot off. From anything other then scope or scope mounts.
3 or 4 inches I can understand. But I have Ben wrong before Larry

 

[areaone]

Scope mounts have been checked and rechecked, no problem, scipoes have been switched, no change.

 

[savagedasher]

Something has to be bad wrong for a gun to shoot a foot off. I wouldn't shoot it again till I had it checked out by a gun smith. Nothing but bad scope or mounts can change that much other then the barrel being loose in the action. Larry

 

[LHSmith]

Any chance the scope bases' counterbore is too small for the fillister screw heads...preventing the screw from fully securing the base to the action....Talley's have been known for this....the screws are tight , but the base is not in full contact with the receiver. Also, one of the front base screws could possibly bottoming on the barrel threads or bolt....again preventing the bases to be fully secure.

 

[boltgunluvr]

Well, the original post is my son,I have dinked around with this rifle for a week, new brass, necked size full sized, you name it. Five powders, three primers, six bullets, moderate loads max and even pushing a little over max, no pressure signs.rechecked rings etc. After 50 yrs of shooting and reloading, this is not my first Goat Rope, I can say I am baffled. We shot this am, 6 degrees, no wind and we are getting 2 to 4 inch groups, hard for me to handle when I am used to .25 groups from a 6.5x47L. This barrel is a bit.. To clean, filthy patch after patch with only 20 shots, coppers up too much for me also. Bot it used, perfect condition exterior, supposedly shot very little, previous owner can not believe our results......hmmmmmm.
Will try a few of the suggestions posted and truly appreciate everyone's contribution. Will pull it out of the stock to see if anything appears out of the ordinary, also will get the barrel scoped, I think it is the barrel. After putting almost 75 down then tube, I have had on two occasions first two touch and throws the last down and to the right about 1.5 inches. Everything else is erratic, I can load the same powder, load,primer with three different 180!gr and they will print 6 to 10 inches apart in 2 to4 inch groups. No consistency from day to day .

Assuming rings are lapped? What type of bullets have you tried. I always try plain jane tangent ogive flat base bullets first to make sure it's a keeper. By any chance, does it have a slow twist?

 

[th82457]

You guys have a lot of patience. I would either re-barrel or trade this gun in. I would say the problem has been reduced down to something wrong with the barrel.