Remington 513 or CZ 452?

[JLDavid]

If you were to have the choice between these two rifles for squirrels and vermin, which would you go with? I like the old style long barrel and target stock of the 513T but I don't know if replacement/spare magazines are available. If the 452 is anything like my BRNO Model 4, it would be my choice. Magazines and aftermarket parts are available. I have never seen either of these rifles in person so I am not sure if there is anything in particular that may present a problem. Any advice would be appreciated. Have a good week.

 

[Mark M.]

CZ 452 gets my vote

 

[JLDavid]

Thanks Mark. Can I ask what make the CZ stand out to you as the better rifle? Thanks.

 

[jds holler]

The old 513's are pretty neat and nostalgic. Unless you find one that has already been modified, they didn't come drilled for scope bases. I'm not sure if any later models had grooved receivers, but it's possible. Magazines are available for 25 bucks or so, as are many other action parts on eBay or Numerich. Action is primarily the same as 510, 511, ummm 521 -- Our fellow member Snert had or has one that he was trying to sell awhile back. If ya got his, you could be assured of an honest deal. jd

 

[JLDavid]

Thanks jd. The 452 has a "sexier" look but the 513 is a classic looking rig with long heavy barrel.

 

[Mark M.]

The 452 is very well built, including a reciver made from a billot, barrels are hammer forged and threaded to the receiver , walnut stock, and very very accurate, I have the cz 455 with interchange barrel system, I believe for the money, it's by far the best thing out there

 

[JLDavid]

Thanks Mark.

 

[snert]

That 513T went to a fine gent in Texas, whose mom won a 1950's era state title with one. He wrung it out with a Weaver T10 at 100 yards and reported sub MOA groups. At 50 it was way under MOA. Happy to see it go to a man who would appreciate it. Mags are avaialable from Numrich. These are old school fine rifles that are easily scoped. D and T and add weaver bases, off you go.

 

[mongo chicago]

I love the old-er guns. But I would go with the CZ. IF something should happen to break, it's always harder to get good parts to fix the older guns, not to mention a gunsmith that knows what he is doing with them. As much as I love the Win 97s, but don't own one anymore for those reasons.

 

[Tommie]

A toss-up...except for the trigger.
CZ

 

[Snaketail]

452 - lots of after-market add-ons to "personalize" it. And, good accuracy is a given.

 

[ms6852]

The 513T will outshoot the CZ in my opinion but for hunting I would use the CZ as it is a lighter rifle. Lucky for me I have one of the scope mounts made by Ken Vianni which does not required tapping receivers for scope mounts.

 

[CHIPLOAD]

I have a 513t. Friends have CZ’s. 513 feels better to me size, weight and function. 10 rounds mags available at brownells. I drilled and tapped the receiver. Ill have to look and see what number weaver base.

 

[hawkeyeshoooer]

I have one of each (Varmint and 513T) but haven't enough experience with the 513T to be able to give a tested answer. I have shot a group under 3/8" at 50 yds with the 513 however.
The Varmint is my go-to squirrel rifle, and it's deadly out to 75 yards, and on occasion, to 90 yds.

 

[Wiley Coyote]

I'll take my CZ-452 over the only 513 I've ever seen. The 452's are well made and generally very accurate. Mine with Mini-Mag 40 gr CPRNs, five shot groups at ranges from 10 to 50 yards in 10 yard increments, the average group size is 0.318"! Worst group was 0.760" at 50 yards and that one's my fault.

All that being said, buy what makes you happiest and shoots well enough to qualify as Minute Of Squirrel. It doesn't matter what someone else is shooting or what's available out there. Good luck, and good shooting.

 

[ebb]

What difference would it make to the squirrel if he was killed with a sexy looking rifle? would the difference be discernible when he was served up for dinner?

 

[USMCDOC]

What difference would it make to the squirrel if he was killed with a sexy looking rifle? would the difference be discernible when he was served up for dinner?

It don't matter to the critter gotten, but to the owner of the tool that got it, it might!

 

[ebb]

I hear ya Doc and if this were a target rifle that gets brought out in public I could see wanting a sexy rifle. Nobody ever goes squirrel hunting with me, who is going to know?

 

[JLDavid]

Thanks for all the input guys. I settled on a 452 sporter from Bud's. Havent had a chance to even get a scope mounted yet but hope to this fall. Would anyone happen to have a 452 factory target stock collecting dust in the corner? Would like to get my Model 4 in a different stock.

 

[Rsadams]

I'll take my CZ-452 over the only 513 I've ever seen. The 452's are well made and generally very accurate. Mine with Mini-Mag 40 gr CPRNs, five shot groups at ranges from 10 to 50 yards in 10 yard increments, the average group size is 0.318"! Worst group was 0.760" at 50 yards and that one's my fault.

All that being said, buy what makes you happiest and shoots well enough to qualify as Minute Of Squirrel. It doesn't matter what someone else is shooting or what's available out there. Good luck, and good shooting.

Have you ever done the same test with CCI standered velocity..? If not give it a try , I think you would like the results...