I am looking to assemble a 22" 8T CBI 22Creedmoor RemAge on a factory 700. Ive put two CBI's on my Savage 12 target action and have achieved .5" 5 shot groups with relative ease and little load development. A coworker has a CBI on his Origin and it does the same or better. Im curious if I'm handicapping myself by using a factory untrued 700 action. Im trying to keep this rig budget friendly while still getting that 0.5" accuracy. What has your experience been with remage barrels in 22cal?
REMAGE Accuracy Potential
- Thread starter Dale264
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The newer Remington actions need very little if an real trueing. Always a good idea for the cost of putting on a custom barrel. Eliminate any doubt by doing everything necessary to achieve the best accuracy. Trueing an action isn't huge expense. Much less than buying and chambering a barrel.
Ackman
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Back in the 90's I got a 700 Rem. sporter 22-250 at the gunshow, cheap. Completely stock, unbedded and unknown number of rounds through it. My handloads, four 3 -shot grops all nice triangles in the .2's and .3's. It shot well. Wore that barrel out and had the action rebarreled and trued. The riflebuilder was a very fussy perfectionist and benchrest shooter. He said that particular Rem. action was the worst, most out of true, 700 he'd ever seen. Tells you something about how much it matters for a non-competition gun. I still have them trued, just because. However I also don't think it's really necessary. In the 80's I had 2 guns done, both .223's, both done identically. One action was trued, the other wasn't and they both shot identically, same load same velocity sane grouping, no difference. Surprised me. So if you don't mind spending extra whatever it costs now, $150, 200? then have it trued for your own peace of mind. But necessary, I don't think so. Also the Remage nut is a great idea. The only downside is that when switching barrels that nut makes things much more time consuming.
Dale, give a trued action and non-trued action to a group of 100 shooters and, barrels being equal, 98 of them wouldn't be able to tell you which is which. It's an in vogue thing for rifle owners wanting the best of the best to be able to hang their hat on. Truth of the matter is it has very little effect on practical shooting (non-F Class) unless your action is so out of true that you shouldn't be shooting it in the first place. Things that matter much more than action truing: barrel manufacturing, free floated barrel, action/stock interface (aka - bedding), ammo/components, and above all - the shooter.
The old adage rings true still, "90% of rifles are more accurate than those shooting them". Also, 47% of statistics are made up on the spot.
The old adage rings true still, "90% of rifles are more accurate than those shooting them". Also, 47% of statistics are made up on the spot.
dstoenner
Silver $$ Contributor
The biggest thing you could do in order to improve performance is to take 600 grit grinding compound and put that on the backside of the bolt lugs with something to put back pressue on the front of the bolt to push the lugs into their seats. Then work the bolt handle up and down checking often so that you have almost 100% engagement. You can tell by how much finish is worn down to bare metal.
Costs a little time but thaT will keep your bolt and cartridge square with the centerline and then using the GO gauge to set headspace it will be correct as best as possible
Costs a little time but thaT will keep your bolt and cartridge square with the centerline and then using the GO gauge to set headspace it will be correct as best as possible
While not a 22 cal, my first Remage was a 7mm Rem Mag with a CBI. It puts 180gr VLDs until one inch groups at 300 with boring regularity. No truing done. You will be surprised at what it will do.
Truing the action is not necessary with a Remage barrel. Actually, I heard from a gunsmith, that truing involves opening up the threads in the receiver, As well as squaring off the face of the receiver, which would affect the fit of the new barrel. The barrel threads would be a bit smaller, creating a loose condition. He advised against it. He said on a conventional referral, they true up the receiver, and put bigger threads on the barrel, to accommodate the looser threads on the receiver. Remage barrels are pre-threaded, so they cannot accommodate these differences.
kindabitey
Gold $$ Contributor
I have two X-Caliber remage barrels, a 223 and
6GT. Both are in unmolested Remington 700
actions, and both shoot in the 1/2" range.
6GT. Both are in unmolested Remington 700
actions, and both shoot in the 1/2" range.
Fast14riot
Gold $$ Contributor
I have two CBI remage guns and 2 CBI military replacement barrels (1917 & 1903) they all shoot great! My dad has a remage from Ragged Hole Barrels and its a shooter, too.
searcher
Gold $$ Contributor
I have a Rem 700 in .223 that will shoot under .003" using cheap varmint bullets of various manufacture with well over 5,000 rounds on a factory barrel. I'd have to believe a quality aftermarket would do same or better, depending on luck-of-the-draw. I bedded it and put on a Jewell Trigger. I have a Lilja tube waiting for the day it poops out.
I put a 1 and 12 twist criterion remage chambered in 22-250 on an older Remington 700. After a little load development, it's shooting 1/2" groups with ease. The only issue I can see is with the barrel nut clearance on some stocks. My setup is in a Magpul Hunter 700 and had no issues with clearance. I like having the ability to easily change barrels myself especially with cartridges that are known barrel burners. Once I bought the tools ie: barrel vise, wrench, head space gauge. The cost of a barrel is all that's needed to replace a shot out one now.
At 100 yards?
WOW!
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