Relativity in E-Target Accuracy

[GSS]

I think we need to have a conversation about what draws new shooters, and what the long-term effects might be of everyone making high-master in their first year or two.

Interesting Keith,

Are you thinking / stating that E targets will make it easier for more people to make High Master and that would cheapen / diminish the achievement ?
Tks, G-

 

[rardoin]

...snip...... and what the long-term effects might be of everyone making high-master in their first year or two.

One still needs to develop proper technique, wind reading aside, and that does take time regardless of the target type shot upon. I would guess that the advantages an e-target provides in producing higher scores for newer shooters is less than the advantages present at pull target ranges with typically light winds. It would...will... be interesting to see if your hypothesis is correct.

 

[sdean]

Interesting Keith,

Are you thinking / stating that E targets will make it easier for more people to make High Master and that would cheapen / diminish the achievement ?
Tks, G-

High Master is already out of whack with Open and Ft r the same. Then at 600 so what. 30 pound rest and any caliber you want. I made High Master my first year. I shot the same scores on either targets. Was kinda disappointed it was that easy. Now 1000 is proving way different. The NRA hasn't even published any new rules yet and no up-to-date testing by target makers published yet.. But on and on the same back and forth for the last year. Reminds me of the Mueller report. Will never be good enough for some until they hear what they want. It still is just a hobby. Find a way to be happy every day. For most of us you only get one life. Stephen

 

[AndyTaber]

When the time came in the set up process to calibrate the target to shots fired Jim's comment was "Why?". His reasoning that the 'target' is no longer the paper version that we are shooting at, it is the electronic image on our devices. It does not matter where the shots are going on the paper target...

I just started reading this thread and these words in the original post caught my eye. There is a reason to calibrate the E targets to the paper. Yes the paper target does become an aiming point, but the E target does need to be calibrated due to differences in the components on each system. You can be dealing with any where from 5 to 8 microphones on each target that senses the sound wave of the bullet passing through its plane. There can be a difference in where the bullet hits the paper vs where the E target thinks it hit. That is why it must be calibrated.

 

[SWRichmond]

So is this a special theory or a general theory?

 

[GSS]

*Acrimony deleted prior to posting*

I think we need to have a conversation about what draws new shooters,
and what the long-term effects might be of everyone making high-master in their first year or two.

repeat question

Interesting Keith,
Are you thinking / stating that E targets will make it easier for more people to make High Master and that would cheapen / diminish the achievement ?
Tks, G-

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I do think that making the game easier will take the achievement out of making High Master.

That is why I am for delays and shot location presentation of only the last shot.

I can assure you that instantaneous feedback and group presentation makes it a lot easier, whether the shooter fires immediately, or not.

Add a perfect aiming mark available for every shot, and a lot of the basic challenge in the shooting part is diminished.

 

[Warren Dean]

I do think that making the game easier will take the achievement out of making High Master.

That is why I am for delays and shot location presentation of only the last shot.

I can assure you that instantaneous feedback and group presentation makes it a lot easier, whether the shooter fires immediately, or not.

Add a perfect aiming mark available for every shot, and a lot of the basic challenge in the shooting part is diminished.

Well said, Keith. My sentiments, exactly.

 

[davidjoe]

I do think that making the game easier will take the achievement out of making High Master.

That is why I am for delays and shot location presentation of only the last shot.

I can assure you that instantaneous feedback and group presentation makes it a lot easier, whether the shooter fires immediately, or not.

Add a perfect aiming mark available for every shot, and a lot of the basic challenge in the shooting part is diminished.

All true. On the other hand, the 800 and 900 yard distances that were shot on the same size target seem to be rarely used in recent years.

In this weekend’s 120 shot Texas State Long Range Championship, (many shooters and top HM’s) in F/Open only the winner, Erik Cortina, managed to shoot 120 shots above 98%. (No other Open HM shot in class.). ET’s used with delay and last shot only shown.

The weather wasn’t usual at all this weekend, so I’d say it’s still pretty hard to shoot HM.

One thing we don’t have with the ET’s is the ability watch mirage and hold, ready to instantly adjust/shoot upon the raising of neighboring targets. So in that regard ET’s could make the game harder.

 

[rardoin]

^^^^ Like David said, I have to pull my eyes off of the scopes (I use a spotter next to me and rifle scope for mirage near and far) to see the last shot placement/score and this past weekend the mirage changed so rapidly I could not 'wait for the target and release the shot instantly if mirage had not changed and the shot was in the money'. It did add an element not present with pull targets that added to the difficulty IMO.