Redding BR powder measure VS Harrill BR measure???

[shootn4fun]

Redding and Harrill's make quality products
What's the accuracy-consistency-ETC comparing the
powder measures from these companies offer?

A penny for your thoughts??

 

[Eddie Harren]

Save your penny, call Lynwood and order a Harrell's.

 

[shootn4fun]

Save your penny, call Lynwood and order a Harrell's.

Not a matter of save a penny, Have a Redding BR I bought new 20 years ago, need to justify spending $250-$300 to buy a Harrils BR

Thanks.

 

[watercam]

No one will dispute Harrell's quality and shear, luxurious feel. If you are throwing extruded powder they still will vary a bit just like the BR-3 or 30 you have.

 

[rardoin]

No one will dispute Harrell's quality and shear, luxurious feel. If you are throwing extruded powder they still will vary a bit just like the BR-3 or 30 you have.

I concur....you will probably not get any more precise throws with extruded powder with the Harrell's compared to your Redding. If I had a Redding BR, I would not have bought a Harell's; I did get one to replace a lower model I had from a Hornady progressive kit from the 80's that really sucked.

 

[LHSmith]

Both will throw with the same margin of error. The Redding BR-3 or BR-30 you have a fixed powder bottle, fixed drop tube, and lacks a decent mounting method (unless you opt for the Redding stand)....all of which make it less user friendly than the Harrells which comes complete with removable bottle (also one pound Hodgdon bottles fit), 2 drop tubes (and plenty more after market variations) and an integral mounting clamp. Sinclair offers upgrades to the Redding to make it "like" a Harrell, but you will have more money into it than a Harrell.

 

[tenring]

I have a Redding BR3 and a Harrels Culver. The Harrels is more money, but much, much more accurate and easier to control the handle. Buy the Harrels and cry once.

 

[Patch700]

if you don't require a measure with definitive clicks.. Then forget both and use a spoon..

Your friends won't find it very kool but it works.

I love my harrells gear and am a life long customer... But if you are trying to find a measure that will drop 7828 to a tenth everytime then you may be dissapointed.

One nice thing about a measure that utilizes a click value is you can very quickly get close when switching between say a 40 grn charge (which may be say 68.5 clicks on the measure) and a 50grn charge (which may be an 80 click on the measure)

 

[shootn4fun]

I concur....you will probably not get any more precise throws with extruded powder with the Harrell's compared to your Redding. If I had a Redding BR, I would not have bought a Harell's; I did get one to replace a lower model I had from a Hornady progressive kit from the 80's that really sucked.

 

[shootn4fun]

Thanks for the various opinions.

Loading for a 30X44 using 322 I have had no issues with the Redding measure.
Just getting into the HunterGun Benchrest Game, my loading has been at home using RCBS Chargemaster.
Loading at the range in the future or at a match on the road I want to have as uniform loads as possible.

HAPPY 4TH TO ALL!

 

[XBBR Shooter]

[...] The Redding BR-3 or BR-30 you have a fixed powder bottle, fixed drop tube, and lacks a decent mounting method (unless you opt for the Redding stand)....all of which make it less user friendly than the Harrells

An easy peasy fix.

I have three Reddings (a #3 for magnums, a 30BR for medium cases, and a 10X for small cases).

I put Hornady die collets on all three measures, and bought the Hornady measure stand, which has a female die collet.

The Redding and Harrellls are just as accurate - the Harrells offers "clicks" if you need them. The Redding has a fine micrometer.

The measures remove instantly, to empty the powder, and you still retain the powder baffle, which you do not have with the Harrells bottle system.

 

[MGYSGT]

I have a Redding. No experience with Harrels, but have seen them being used. Here's a tip when using them. When moving the handle up, tap it twice against the stop and when moving the handle down, do the same thing. Tap Tap up and Tap Tap down. Your throws will be much more accurate. I load Varget most of the time and it has pretty large sticks. I usually get my loads within a 1/10. I still measure all F Class loads, not so much for XTC loads.

 

[Patch700]

Ba

Thanks for the various opinions.

Loading for a 30X44 using 322 I have had no issues with the Redding measure.
Just getting into the HunterGun Benchrest Game, my loading has been at home using RCBS Chargemaster.
Loading at the range in the future or at a match on the road I want to have as uniform loads as possible.

HAPPY 4TH TO ALL!

Based on the fact that you wish to now load at the range that tells us that you may very well be fine tuning the load as the day(conditions) change..

In this case this is where the harrells (or any measure that uses precise and repeatable clicks) will shine.. Because you can go up or down in a repeatable fashion via the clicks.

Once you move the micrometer adjustment on the redding you are merely geussing should you decide to return to your previous setting.

I should also say that the finest measure in the world is only as repeatable as the technique of the user... I have spent countless hours with a fine measure and an accurate (Fx-120i) just testing drop techniques.

I would recommend keeping the redding br mounted on your reloading bench as they are a very nice measure.. But then purchase a harrells for your shooting box to take on your travel shoots.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

fwiw,
The Harrell's Premium Culver Powder Measure has been a lot better long term investment in my opinion than trying to "tune" any of the factory drum style measures. Not saying that won't throw as accurately as your technique allows, however, IMHO there is NO COMPARISON between the ball bearing feeling of the Harrell's versus ANY of the Drum Measures. You have to overcome more surface friction even if you go with motor mica or whatever else. I think they Redding would be a great measure if it came in a kit and you were working with it, however, buying from the start there would be NO QUESTION in my mind... There was a NIB Harrell's Premium for $265 and a Like New for less this morning or yesterday morning. I've owned mine since 2001 or 2002(age fog) and would not sell any of them for less than what a new one would cost. They are, imho, that good... If you have to buy new skip Sinclair and buy directly from Harrell's Precision. They make their own stand now as well. True Gentlemen to deal with... fwiw & imho.

Regards, Matt.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

imho,
I really prefer the culver measure to the micrometer with the drum. That said I have an accurate RCBS Uniflow with a factory Micrometer that came with the RCBS 2000 and both large and small drums(entire press was $299 shipped from Grafs). If I had to work with a rotating drum and micrometer measure this would be the only reason. I have one that came along for little or nothing as part of a kit or other purchase. The thought of paying new prices for a Redding Measure, to say nothing of Sinclair's Tune Up Kits, is not even a serious question...

That is kind of like paying Neil Jones to rework a Remington 700 Trigger versus buying a Bix'n Andy... If you've never had any time with a Bix'n Andy you might consider it. The only thing I will say, all due respect to Mr. Jones and his work, is the only thing the Remington Trigger has going for it in this comparison is that you already have it in hand. You can't polish it into a better design...

XBBR Shooter said:
"The measures remove instantly, to empty the powder, and you still retain the powder baffle, which you do not have with the Harrells bottle system."

I am at a loss on how this is ANY KIND OF POSITIVE OVER THE HARRELLS MEASURE...(?)

1. The Harrell's Precision Powder Baffle is a permanent part of the measure. It is not a sheet metal baffle dropped in the tube. Sinclair made quite a bit of money with Redding "tune" up kits years ago with powder bottle adaptors(standard on the Harrels) and the previously mentioned baffle that Redding has added.

2. To empty the powder on your Harrell's Measure, loosen the bracket and TURN IT UP SIDE DOWN, work the handle several times, unscrew the Harrell's Measure, and put the top back on the powder bottle. 99% of the time I'm using a Hodgdon style bottle and they screw directly into the Harrells Measure. Hard to forget what powder you are loading and cleanup is a breeze.

fwiw & imho,
Redding is having delusions of grandeur... Just looked at the Competition 10X Powder Measure at Sinclair for $199.95!
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...ition-model-10x-powder-measure-prod55228.aspx That is laughable...

The Harrell Scheuntzen is directly comparable in charge weight, but again a world away in finish quality and design, is $239.99
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...easures-dispensers/schuentzen-powder-measure-
prod38248.aspx

The Harrell Custom 90 is their value measure is supposed to be functionally identical within the 6-90 grain range at $209.99 with $21 off until the 4th with L3P...
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...nsers/custom-90-powder-measure-prod38187.aspx

If you are not looking for super low charge weights(6-120 grains) I would go with the Premium Culver Measure at $269.99
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...pensers/premium-powder-measure-prod38305.aspx

Better yet Buy The Premium Measure with the Sinclair Stand for 309.99 and take $31 off with Code L3Q up until midnight of the 4th...
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...premium-culver-measure-w-stand-prod45125.aspx

Regards, Matt.

Fwiw, Not saying they don't make them, however, I don't see the Sinclair Redding Powder Measure Powder Bottle Adaptors/Baffles/etc... Not to say they've done away with it...

 

[bheadboy]

I purchased my two measures from Homer at the BR match in Wapwalapin in the late 60's, neither has failed to be consistent / with slight lean toward the ball powder of today. in the 60-'s and 70's I can not think of a BR shooter loading at the range that did not use Homers and a specific setting varying when needed.

love mine
Bob

 

[Rust]

Yeah, as a long range shooter I very much prefer the stick powders over the ball and flake powders, and I've never liked the way any powder throwing measure (including a Harrells) felt throwing charges and I still had to weigh each charge just to be sure.

So for H4350, RL-22, IMR4064 and H4831 (not the short cut) I use an RCBS Chargemaster. There were a few tricks to be learned, not a simple power strip but a higher quality power conditioner/filter, warm it up for at least half an hour prior to calibrating, program it to throw a charge a little slower, and ALWAYS close the pan cover when dropping a charge. Good enough for single digit ES and SD numbers with a 6.5 X 284, and low teens with a .308. Damn .308 just simply will not do single digit even with small primer brass.

 

[Rust]

Yeah, as a long range shooter I very much prefer the stick powders over the ball and flake powders, and I've never liked the way any powder throwing measure (including a Harrells) felt throwing charges and I still had to weigh each charge just to be sure.

So for H4350, RL-22, IMR4064 and H4831 (not the short cut) I use an RCBS Chargemaster. There were a few tricks to be learned, not a simple power strip but a higher quality power conditioner/filter, warm it up for at least half an hour prior to calibrating, program it to throw a charge a little slower, and ALWAYS close the pan cover when dropping a charge. Good enough for single digit ES and SD numbers with a 6.5 X 284, and low teens with a .308. Damn .308 just simply will not do single digit even with small primer brass.

 

[halo68]

Yeah, as a long range shooter I very much prefer the stick powders over the ball and flake powders, and I've never liked the way any powder throwing measure (including a Harrells) felt throwing charges and I still had to weigh each charge just to be sure.

So for H4350, RL-22, IMR4064 and H4831 (not the short cut) I use an RCBS Chargemaster. There were a few tricks to be learned, not a simple power strip but a higher quality power conditioner/filter, warm it up for at least half an hour prior to calibrating, program it to throw a charge a little slower, and ALWAYS close the pan cover when dropping a charge. Good enough for single digit ES and SD numbers with a 6.5 X 284, and low teens with a .308. Damn .308 just simply will not do single digit even with small primer brass.

 

[halo68]

I'm glad I saw this post, I am new to shooting center fire rifles, I was left a bunch of reloading and shooting equipment from my uncle.Redding BR 3 and BR 30 powder measures and a Lyman powder measure that was gone over by a person named Culver, Just wondering if the Lyman is going to be as good as the Redding's, also was thinking about getting a Harrels measure, not sure i really need it. I have to get experience in reloading before i would know the difference in any of them. Rifles i have are - Rem 40XBR Cal. 222 Rem. and Hart 1-A Cal. 6x47. scope # 1 is Rem. 20x. scope# 2 is Lyman all american 20x.