Spent time reading what a "search" had to offer, but left a bit confused, So, which of the two is the best for determining what my old shoulder will fell , recoil energy, or recoil velocity ??
Recoil ?
- Thread starter Baddog0302
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I'm thinking you'll feel the energy and the velocity is how fast you'll feel it.
Some powders are more "snappy", whereas some have a longer preasure curve and are more comfortable to shoot.
But I'm mo expert. And there are way more qualified people to give a better answer.
Some powders are more "snappy", whereas some have a longer preasure curve and are more comfortable to shoot.
But I'm mo expert. And there are way more qualified people to give a better answer.
SSL
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Like you, I've always felt that recoil that is produced by a "push" is easier on my shoulder than that produced by a "jolt". The difference may only be in micro seconds, but it seems to allow the shoulder to adjust to the force rather than just getting slammed.
Dusty Stevens
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Some powders will have a quicker recoil that feels like a quick snap/jab and others will come on a little slower and feel like a hard push. Obviously, the larger the powder charge the more recoil. Some cartridges are designed for high pressure and the resulting recoil is a sharp hit, whereas low pressure rounds have a more mild recoil.
The more firmly you pull the rifle to your shoulder and lean into the rifle the less it is going to slap you. The other thing is stock design can make a big impact of how the recoil is felt.
When I was younger we were contemplating going to Africa and part of preparations were gun selection. We had settled in on a few 375 H&H's and 458Win. One of the 375's had an Alaskan style stock (high cheek rest) and the other a more traditional American profile. The Alaskan stock had a tendency to flip up and drive the recoil on a downward angle....for me and my brother who were both big and strong it felt like Mike Tyson landing a hook to the ribs as your should was compressed downward. The other 375 just gave you a straight punch. The 458 with its lower pressure was a pleasant shove by comparison. 30 years later we still have the 458.
Hands down the investment into a suppressor is one of the greatest improvements to the shooting experience. Aside from the noise reduction, it will dramatically reduce the recoil of any rifle. A 308 feels like a 223, and a 223 starts feeling like a 22lr. Yes, they are expensive and there is a long waiting period (+10 months) for ATF approval, but it is worth selling a rifle to buy one for the other guns. It will save some hearing and your shoulder.
The more firmly you pull the rifle to your shoulder and lean into the rifle the less it is going to slap you. The other thing is stock design can make a big impact of how the recoil is felt.
When I was younger we were contemplating going to Africa and part of preparations were gun selection. We had settled in on a few 375 H&H's and 458Win. One of the 375's had an Alaskan style stock (high cheek rest) and the other a more traditional American profile. The Alaskan stock had a tendency to flip up and drive the recoil on a downward angle....for me and my brother who were both big and strong it felt like Mike Tyson landing a hook to the ribs as your should was compressed downward. The other 375 just gave you a straight punch. The 458 with its lower pressure was a pleasant shove by comparison. 30 years later we still have the 458.
Hands down the investment into a suppressor is one of the greatest improvements to the shooting experience. Aside from the noise reduction, it will dramatically reduce the recoil of any rifle. A 308 feels like a 223, and a 223 starts feeling like a 22lr. Yes, they are expensive and there is a long waiting period (+10 months) for ATF approval, but it is worth selling a rifle to buy one for the other guns. It will save some hearing and your shoulder.
farmerjohn
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Do have some experience here and ya'll got it figured out, just take a Ruger #1 Tropical in a 416 Rig with 410gr factory and an equal weight #1 in a 300wby with a 220gr factory and try them side by side.... I do believe that case pressure, PSI or CUP is a determining factor in recoil velocity. Once you get past 52000 CUP any load gets more nasty, my experience anyway
John
I do everything to make sure I'm comfortable behind my rifles. Stock design, muzzle brakes, tailoring of the load. Some rifles I just download the ammo to enjoy shooting them. Practice [using mild loads] w/ the offender, seems to help when shooting the heavy kickers using the full power stuff. Mike in Ct
skeeljc
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From a Physics standpoint: When the bullet accelerates down the barrel the gun accelerates in the opposite direction. This acceleration produces the force you feel on your shoulder (F=Ma). Then there is the rate at which the acceleration increases or the rate of change in acceleration. Sometimes this is referred to as jerk. A black powder load may have the same recoil but the rate at which it is felt will be lower than an equivalent smokeless powder load.
when i was younger and married.. about 140 lbs.. i was very proud that i could shoot 20 rounds of 300 Weatherby off the bench.. but when i was living in SC.. a friend tried to shoot a .460 off the bench.. it cleaned him right off that seat of his and landed on his butt on the ground.. but the amazing thing was.. he managed to hold onto the rifle.. yes.. recoil can be a force to be recon'd with..
A good stock design will help dissipate recoil. Last year, while at the range, a young man had a .50 BMG bolt action rifle. As I was admiring it and talking to him, he asked me if I wanted to try it out. I was a bit timid and at first declined his offer but he kept insisting and I couldn't resist the urge to give it a try. For the life of me, I can't remember the manufacturer. Anyway, I would up shooting 10 rounds through it and I found it very tolerable. Wasn't much worse than my Remington 700, 30-06. I was wearing a padded shooting jacket though. Rifle had a muzzle brake which seemed to do the job. I still wouldn't want to shoot it all day, just like I don't shoot that 30-06 all day. Too much for my 83 year old shoulders.
Not true.
Most people don't really understand how Newton's Laws apply to recoil, in reality there is such little recoil while the bullet is in the bore that we can't even notice it, the recoil that we feel happens when the bullet leaves the muzzle.
skeeljc
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Newton's Third Law of Motion is: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite re-action."
I do not see where he says nothing happens, i.e. time is suspended, while the bullet travels down the barrel!
When the powder burns and creates pressure that pressure acts on the bullet and causes it to accelerate down the barrel. The equal and opposite reaction is the force on the bolt face which is equal and opposite to the force on the bullet.
A recoilless gun works by allowing the barrel to move rearward while the projectile is moving down the barrel. A great example of Newton's Third Law of Motion.
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Time suspended? I have no idea what you are trying to imply but nobody ever mentioned anything about time being suspended. Newton doesn't say that nothing happens, he just says that the sum of the vector forces equal zero and the rifle wont move while the bullet is in the bore.
butchlambert
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The most recoil energy is right after the primer is touched off. My 300 Weatherby has a real sharp recoil and say my 9.3X62 with a 286 grain bullet is a pleasure to shoot. Stock design and weapon weight affects recoil.
Quote: the rifle wont move while the bullet is in the bore
Probably not much as it has already hit my shoulder.
What Dusty said really came to life for me, I personally hate a 308 because of the snappyness and love the 30-06 because to me it is more of a "shotgun push" and will do a little more. Gary Gore
Well, a bullet traveling at 3,000 FPS takes .0007 seconds to leave a 24 inch barrel. While it may be the start of something big, I sincerely doubt in can be felt prior to the bullet leaving the barrel
SSL
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Pulling the trigger real hard helps too.
So the life of that barrel is about 1.06 seconds or thereabouts
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