Reason for a bore guide?

[thefitter]

Stumbled across a tread in another forum about the necessity of using a bore guide. It had some interesting arguments on both sides, so I thought I'd post the question here just to see what all you old timers and gurus think.

Thanks

 

[harleyreb1]

I guess my main thought would be why not use one? Even if it dosen't help(which I don't believe) how could it hurt anything? I say better safe than sorry

 

[CatShooter]

I use one mostly to keep crud and solvents out of my action and triggers.

 

[NateHaler]

I use 'em, and like 'em. They help keep the cleaning stuff out of the action and stock, they help keep the patch on the jag (I esp. like the bore guides with the solvent port feature), and they help keep the rod centered as you're pushing on it.

I don't consider the merit of bore guides even a question; the question is whether or not you bother with them. IMO, it's more of a bother not to use one... unless you like taking the barreled action out of the stock to wipe up the solvent and crud that gets down in there without a bore guide. Save $25 on a bore guide, and spend your time instead cleaning up messes every time you clean... some might think that a bargain.

 

[VaniB]

Yes, boreguides help keep solvents from getting into the trigger and other internals, but my main reason for using them is to prevent angled and uneven wear in the chamber where the rod starts its run.

 

[gunnermhr]

Yes, boreguides help keep solvents from getting into the trigger and other internals, but my main reason for using them is to prevent angled and uneven wear in the chamber where the rod starts its run.

Not looking to pick an argument, I've heard exactly what you said many times over. The thing I don't understand is how a brass jag and a carbon rod will create uneven wear on Stainless steel. I imagine you could, I just don't understand that it could happen before the barrel wears out from shooting. The patch centers the jag and the hole in the bore guide is significantly larger than the cleaning rod. There is more of a chance of running the crown by cleaning then the breach especially when using a bore guide and most of the barrels I wore out quit shooting because of fire cracking and throat erosion, not the wear the rod introduced to the crown.

I always use a bore guide and I think the Lucas Bore guide may actually guide the rod better than all the others, I don't have a Lucas but it appears to me they are made to prevent exactly what VaniB has mentioned

 

[SS427]

Can a softer material like brass, bronze or carbon fiber eventually wear away a harder material like stainless or chrome moly steel?

 

[Chief 101]

absolutely hard material embeds in the softer material and turns it into a file of sorts. Most people today over clean their rifle barrels so that being the case might take some precautions such as a bore guide

 

[Grimstod]

Ever scratched a peace of glass with a peace of metal? Technically its imposable to do (if you listened to the marketing) because the glass is harder, yet when I work with metal my sapphire faced watches still get scratched. I now play it safe and take off my watch.

Play it safe and use a boar guide. I guaranty you won't regret it.

 

[SS427]

"absolutely hard material embeds "

Where does the hard material come from? Is it the very carbon you are removing from the bore? It isn't the guide, the jag, brush or patch.

I always use a bore guide by the way. Not arguing, but just like to understand.

 

[queen_stick]

oh man... not one of these threads again...

 

[Grimstod]

Lol Bohio

Otter your not wrong to be asking. Questions are always good. So forgive us if we were hard.

All things where out eventually. Especially the throte of the bore. Bore guides protect it. It's the most valuable portion of the barrel IMHO and if it changes then the serious shooter has to Chang his seating depth load weight and potentially even have to rechamber.

It's like Obama and.... Well I don't need to go there. lol

 

[thefitter]

Wow totally useless smart as* responses...did I accidentally post this on the hide? 8)

 

[Dans40X]

There are many "Hider's"/Mall Ninja's registered lately.

I'll add-
IF,your bore guide does not fit your cleaning rod,don't waste your time.
Pitch It!
Purchase a quality guide or manufacture one to fit the action & chambering.


M1A bore guide-
Cut the crimp off a plastic 12ga shot gun shell hull.
Punch out the primer & Drill the pocket/flash hole to cleaning rod diameter.
Slip the guide/hull onto the rod,brass first & thread your jag into the rod.

The 12ga.shotgun hull slips over the outside of the flash hider.

Those using carbon cleaning rods-TREAD LIGHTLY & GOOD LUCK!

 

[hogpatrol]

If you have trouble finding the hole, use a bore guide.

 

[thefitter]

There are many "Hider's"/Mall Ninja's registered lately.

I'll add-
IF,your bore guide does not fit your cleaning rod,don't waste your time.
Pitch It!
Purchase a quality guide or manufacture one to fit the action & chambering.


M1A bore guide-
Cut the crimp off a plastic 12ga shot gun shell hull.
Punch out the primer & Drill the pocket/flash hole to cleaning rod diameter.
Slip the guide/hull onto the rod,brass first & thread your jag into the rod.

The 12ga.shotgun hull slips over the outside of the flash hider.

Those using carbon cleaning rods-TREAD LIGHTLY & GOOD LUCK!

Dan, what issues do you see with carbon rods?

Thanks