Range 223 brass

[Kian]

Okay have been picking up 223 brass at range and after 3 gun matches, I know some have crimp in the primer pocket and needs to be removed, exactly what tool or die will I need and which seems to work the best? I plan on loading over the winter and have most of the items needed except this one.


Thanks as always,
Kian

 

[TheOtherZilla]

RCBS makes a primer pock swager that fits in your press. If you only have a few to do it's OK and nothing more.. I ended up with a ton of crimped brass, so I bought a counter top mount swager..

I do know that many people love their Dillon as well. Links to both below

http://www.brownells.com/reloading/case-preparation/primer-pocket-tools/reamers-swagers/rcbs-primer-pocket-swager-bench-tool-sku749013580-54151-104533.aspx?cm_mmc=cse-_-Itwine-_-shopping-_-Rcbs%20Primer%20Pocket%20Swager-%20Bench%20Tool&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c1021_a_7c749013580_d_749013580_d_20597

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/3086

 

[jonbearman]

I clean,size and deprime and then take a vld reamer and chamfer the opening of the primer pocket slightly and try a primer to see if they go in.If they don't I increase the the chamfer slightly till they do and finish the rest the same way. You can use the regular tool but it takes more meat away.

 

[brian427cobra]

Unless you step up to a Dillon 1050, a Dillon Super Swege 600 is the only tool I recommend

 

[KenO]

Many years ago I bought 1500 once fired LC brass with the crimped primer. I learned a couple things:

The RCBS de-priming pin in the sizing die is fragile, I went through quite a few before giving up on it. The Lee de-priming die worked very well, and I didn't break even one pin.

I used an RCBS swagging tool for the primer pocket. It worked, but there are better options out there. I found that a little Imperial wax on the swagging button helped a lot.

I just don't buy military brass anymore, its not worth the trouble for me.

 

[mac86951]

I used an RCBS swagging tool for the primer pocket. It worked, but there are better options out there. I found that a little Imperial wax on the swagging button helped a lot.

+200 on that one. Also, work the first few up to size checking for primer fit along the way, if you adjust the tool too much, I've had pockets loosen quickly limiting the number of reloads.

Imperial wax for sure!!!

 

[WeBuidEmBetter]

If you want the BEST, this is what I use on all Mil Brass. Just sayin' 8)
Also VERY Veteran Friendly.

Priming & Swage Kit

https://www.ch4d.com/products/equipment/case-tools/psk

 

[bigedp51]

If you want the BEST, this is what I use on all Mil Brass. Just sayin' 8)
Also VERY Veteran Friendly.

Priming & Swage Kit

https://www.ch4d.com/products/equipment/case-tools/psk

You mean the best tool for bending the rims of your cases, the rim in the shell holders are virtually unsupported and the rim takes the full force of the swaging operation.

I have one and in my opinion they are worthless, I tried three different makes of shell holders and the results were all the same, bent and broken rims. And if it was the worlds best swagging tool then the rest of the world would be copying the design.

 

[bigedp51]

Kian

If you don't plan to swage very many cases at a time and have a fetish for saving money and very sore fingers from holding all your cases the RCBS reamer for their case prep station works very well. I has a positive stop for the base of the case and you can not damage the primer pocket or over ream the crimp.

Below is the RCBS primer pocket reamer for their case prep station, as you can see the reamer is tapered and does not touch, scratch or gouge the primer pocket walls.

To speed the operation up I hit the primer pocket first with the VLD reamer and finish with the RCBS reamer, the reamer in front is used for a GO - NO-GO gauge and nothing more.

If your not cheap and don't have a fetish for sore fingers from holding your cases then the Dillion Super Swage 600 is the best one on the market. If I had to do over again I would have bought the Dillion unit and saved money from buying all the cheaper tools on the market.

So remember if you go cheap and ream lots of cases by hand you will have fingers so sore you won't be able to pick your own nose.
(buggered up finger humor)

 

[WeBuidEmBetter]

The question was -
"I know some have crimp in the primer pocket and needs to be removed, exactly what tool or die will I need and which seems to work the best?"
This just seems to work for me fine. Just sayin'

 

[37Lincoln1]

If you want the BEST, this is what I use on all Mil Brass. Just sayin' 8)
Also VERY Veteran Friendly.

Priming & Swage Kit

https://www.ch4d.com/products/equipment/case-tools/psk

You mean the best tool for bending the rims of your cases, the rim in the shell holders are virtually unsupported and the rim takes the full force of the swaging operation.

I have one and in my opinion they are worthless, I tried three different makes of shell holders and the results were all the same, bent and broken rims. And if it was the worlds best swagging tool then the rest of the world would be copying the design.

Guess you didn't set it up correctly. It can be done without damaging the rim.

 

[searcher]

1+ on what Zillo said about ther RCBS primer pocket swager. Bought mine when they were $7.00. Now they are about $32.00 - but still a fraction of the desirable heavy duty units out there. I bought it to get me through a few hundred cases and I still use it occasionally, despite not using previously fired military brass much. Every time I do use it, I swear I will buy something that goes faster. If you plan on processing a lot of brass (as in well over 1,000?), and can fit it into your budget, I'd buy the heavy duty model, whatever that is - now.

 

[gary0529]

If I have just a few stray crimped 5.56's I use the RCBS prep center small primer cutter- fast and easy with a positive stop-would suggest you put on a pair of cheap gloves with a "grippy" surface to hang on to the case and not cut your fingertips.

I have both the RCBS and Dillon benchtop units and by fan and away the Dillon is superior (and I am not a blue fanboy by any means-it just happens to be the best for me)

I went to Dillon when I got 4k milsurp crimped brass and it made a onerous job at least somewhat tolerable.

Gary

 

[bigedp51]

Guess you didn't set it up correctly. It can be done without damaging the rim.

Instead of guessing measure the overall length of your cases before using the CH4D Swage and after, when the case is longer your bending the rims.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted the CH4D unit to work because you are right on top of your work and can see the process making it easy for someone with chronologically gifted eyesight and not strain my bifocals. BUT the simple truth is it doesn't work well, the retaining clip for the shell holder pushes the shell holder off center. And depending on the diameter of the hole in the shell holder this pushes the shell holder off center and puts more force on one side of the rim. This in turn bends the rim and also can break one side of the rim entirely off.

There is a reason "WHY" the major swaging tools use a "Swage Rod" that contacts the thicker and stronger web area around the flash hole that does not bend when force is applied to the case.

Below is my 1976 RCBS swager, it rips the brass from the side of the primer pocket and pushes brass into the primer pocket.

Below on the left is the RCBS swage from 1976, on the right is one I bought this year and the diameter at the tip of this unit was larger than any small rifle primer made.

Call it bad luck but one RCBS swage pushes brass into the primer pocket that requires reaming after swaging and the new one makes the primer pockets too large. On top of this with .223/5.56 cases you have to fumble around trying to seat the case on swage rod that you can not see inside the die.

So out of the hand held reamers I prefer the RCBS unit I posted earlier that gives you a rolled primer pocket when done

And if I had not been so cheap in the first place and bought the Dillon unit, I would not have spent more money on all the cheaper tools I tried that are not as fast and do a better job than the Dillon unit will. (buy once cry once)

And I know what I getting for Christmas and its initials are (The Dillon Super Swage 600) and being a cheap bastard doesn't always pay in the long run.

 

[37Lincoln1]

It's how deep one sets the swaging rod in relation to the depth of the primer pocket. The ram has to just slightly enter the pocket... NOT bottom out. It is case sensitive but if you adjust it properly it will swage the primer pocket without damaging the case head rim.


This guy does quite a few and guess what, not a bent or torn off rim in the batch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFD3jJ9AEXk


My cases are the same length after using the swager.

 

[bigedp51]

37Lincoln1

Your not the only one who knows how to swage primer pockets, I already showed everyone two defective RCBS swagers and I have been reloading for over 47 years.

"DO NOT" sit at your computer and pretend to know what is going on at my end, we live in a plus and minus manufacturing world with different degrees of quality control. So do not sit there and think I'm giving the primer pocket a prostate exam and shoving my fist into the primer pocket and tickling the inside of the neck.

So again if the CH4D unit was that great every company would be coping the idea, and again in my opinion the CH4D is a POS. Now go find something else to do besides stroking your own ego.

 

[nicholst55]

The Dillon 600 Super Swage works very well for me, and is infinitely preferable to using the old RCBS unit. I don't regret for even a moment the cost of the Dillon.

 

[37Lincoln1]

37Lincoln1

Your not the only one who knows how to swage primer pockets, I already showed everyone two defective RCBS swagers and I have been reloading for over 47 years.

"DO NOT" sit at your computer and pretend to know what is going on at my end, we live in a plus and minus manufacturing world with different degrees of quality control. So do not sit there and think I'm giving the primer pocket a prostate exam and shoving my fist into the primer pocket and tickling the inside of the neck.

So again if the CH4D unit was that great every company would be coping the idea, and again in my opinion the CH4D is a POS. Now go find something else to do besides stroking your own ego.

It is not my ego that is being bruised, Mr. Sensitive. Why is it you can never, ever have a simple conversation with someone who has an opinion that is different than yours without you going off and attacking that person?

I'm just saying the CH4D works for me because the way I set it up works for me. Obviously with you bending and ripping off shell case rims, you have not set it up properly. No instrument will give the desired results if it is not used in the way it was designed. This swager is based on a concept that is no different then using a shell holder for priming your cases, do you worry about bent rims doing that? No? It's because you are not using excessive force to damage the case. Others use this method successfully and are happy with the results. That's all I have said and tried to be helpful in exploring the possibilities as why it was not successful for others. You want to make it personal, then that's on you.

Chill out and have a beer.

 

[chkunz]

37Lincoln1

Your not the only one who knows how to swage primer pockets, I already showed everyone two defective RCBS swagers and I have been reloading for over 47 years.

"DO NOT" sit at your computer and pretend to know what is going on at my end, we live in a plus and minus manufacturing world with different degrees of quality control. So do not sit there and think I'm giving the primer pocket a prostate exam and shoving my fist into the primer pocket and tickling the inside of the neck.

So again if the CH4D unit was that great every company would be coping the idea, and again in my opinion the CH4D is a POS. Now go find something else to do besides stroking your own ego.

It is not my ego that is being bruised, Mr. Sensitive. Why is it you can never, ever have a simple conversation with someone who has an opinion that is different than yours without you going off and attacking that person?

I'm just saying the CH4D works for me because the way I set it up works for me. Obviously with you bending and ripping off shell case rims, you have not set it up properly. No instrument will give the desired results if it is not used in the way it was designed. This swager is based on a concept that is no different then using a shell holder for priming your cases, do you worry about bent rims doing that? No? It's because you are not using excessive force to damage the case. Others use this method successfully and are happy with the results. That's all I have said and tried to be helpful in exploring the possibilities as why it was not successful for others. You want to make it personal, then that's on you.

Chill out and have a beer.

37Lincol1, It appears Mr. Bigedp51 (Mr. Sensitivity) has a problem with the opinions of others. I am relatively new to this form and I am seeing a trend where some folks do not welcome the opinions of others. I commend your approach to this type of confrontation and welcome your opinions in the future even if they do not agree with mine even thought I am older than dirt. Take care, Clyde.

 

[bigedp51]

37Lincoln1

Your not the only one who knows how to swage primer pockets, I already showed everyone two defective RCBS swagers and I have been reloading for over 47 years.

"DO NOT" sit at your computer and pretend to know what is going on at my end, we live in a plus and minus manufacturing world with different degrees of quality control. So do not sit there and think I'm giving the primer pocket a prostate exam and shoving my fist into the primer pocket and tickling the inside of the neck.

So again if the CH4D unit was that great every company would be coping the idea, and again in my opinion the CH4D is a POS. Now go find something else to do besides stroking your own ego.

It is not my ego that is being bruised, Mr. Sensitive. Why is it you can never, ever have a simple conversation with someone who has an opinion that is different than yours without you going off and attacking that person?

I'm just saying the CH4D works for me because they way I set it up works for me. Obviously with you bending and ripping off shell case rims, you have not set it up properly. No instrument will give the desired results if it is not used in the way it was designed. This swager is based on a concept that is no different then using a shell holder for priming your cases, do you worry about bent rims doing that? No? It's because you are not using excessive force to damage the case. Others use this method successfully and are happy with the results. That's all I have said and tried to be helpful in exploring the possibilities as why it was not successful for others. You want to make it personal, then that's on you.

Chill out and have a beer.

Dear 37Lincoln1

I didn't ask for your opinion but the OP did ask for swager opinions, (plurel) I didn't even ask you for a "simple conversation", I gave my answer to the OP and YOU decided my opinion was wrong.
So let me be very clear, we are not priming cases we are talking about swaging primer pockets and displacing brass radially outward and not pushing a primer "into" a primer pocket that requires far less force, the thought never occurred to you "MY" CH4D swager tip is on the small side even after showing two defective RCBS units.

Your my hero 37Lincoln1, you didn't even understand what I meant by living in a plus and minus manufacturing world and haphazard quality control. On top of this you ignored what I said about the CH4D shell holder clip pushing the shell holder off center causing MORE pressure to be applied to one side of the rim. You seem to want to pick and choose your answers and side step the real problems.

So again let me be clear, if I post a question please feel free to answer, if I give my opinion in another posting and you don't like it then just shut the hell up.

You are hundreds if not thousands of miles from my loading bench and you decided that only your opinion and ego were all that mattered.

And you actually think your the only one smart enough to set up a swager.

So tell me oh great wise one if the Dillon swager is tapered and adjustable for the proper amount of swaging on all types of cases, how can one tip on the CH4D unit with one diameter be perfect for all primer pockets and crimps?

And Mr. T-REX

Opinions are like a$$ holes and everyone has one, so leave your fecal debris where it belongs.

Now its my turn for a question, is there anyone else out there that owns stock in CH4D that wants to add to this train wreck?