Ramshot Powders - where did they go?

[montana_native]

I was looking at some of my old load data for my 6.5x47 a while back and I had a very good load with Ramshot Big Game. I've been looking for quite a while for Big Game as an alternative to H4350 in this rifle, but Ramshot powders seem non-existent. Anyone know what's up with them? Thanks.

 

[savagedasher]

The last two gun shows I went to had plenty of ram shot and other powders. It must be the area you live. Larry

 

[dmoran]

I have not seen any Ramshot rifle powders except for TAC for sale in several years.
None of the major vendors and none locally. Think Obama eat the recipes.....
Donovan

 

[gaboon]

It has been around here lately. I think the powders show up in closest import region.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Man i remember that one day i shot ramshot powders lol

 

[Iowa Fox]

Never have seen any around here, and I have asked some of the bigger sellers with no luck.

 

[liljoe]

That was a good day wasn't it Dusty?

Joe Hynes

 

[Dusty Stevens]

That was a good day wasn't it Dusty?

Joe Hynes

I bet you got a hat around that time too huh?

 

[dmoran]

Couldn't take it...lol .... so I called Western Powders and asked why no Big Game or Hunter. The nice lady I spoke to said the plant in Belgium has not produced powders for them in a long time, is why all there powders that are made in Belgium have been "instinct".
However she also stated that there expecting shipments in the next few months !.!.!
But she also stated that those bulks will still have to pass there own inspections and criteria's. And that not all powder bulks shipped to them pass there criteria demands, which could mean more delays yet.

Donovan

 

[Cujo]

TAC has been available off and on for the last couple of years. Xterminator has been nonexistent.

 

[Brians356]

GunBot.net, while not an exhaustive indicator, shows Ramshot powders are essentially unavailable (hint: "sort by brand"):

http://www.gunbot.net/reloading/powder/

You chaps who say they are plentiful "around here", could you be more specific? (Reticence can be a virtue, but in this instance - not so much.)

 

[misser]

IS Big Game really any different than H414 ?

 

[dmoran]

@misser
Old thread (2016) so likely some of the participants may not be here any more. Regardless, from my own grain per grain / equal charge results, they are different in both velocity and pressure, with H414 pressuring out sooner, at less velocity. However, my results are limited and only from one cartridge (6Dasher's with 105 - 115 class bullets) exclusively.

Also have some limited "sensitivity" results from both, where it appeared H414 is less sensitive in cold/cooler temps (below 40-F), but more sensitive in hot (above 85-F), with Big Game yielding modestly less sensitivity over-all.

With that all said, and for me any how: there similar in burn rate, but would not consider them the same.

 

[Laurie]

Sometime back around then (2016) Eurenco P B Clermont which makes Ramshot and some 'Accurate' powders had some sort of major misfortune - fire, explosion or somesuch - that closed the factory for several months.

AFAIK, full production/supplies have long since been restored. We get the Ramshot branded grades plus one Accurate grade (2520 in the USA called Ramshot Wild Boar in Europe) direct from the factory to the UK distributor and supplies are currently good.

H414 and Big Game are definitely different powders even if they do similar jobs. When PB Clermont was shut down I believe Western Powders sourced the nearest equivalents to some of their missing Belgian products that they could find from General Dynamic St. Marks in Florida which makes all Hodgdon and Winchester brand ball powders, also some Alliant grades. If so, this might have caused some confusion.