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Many thanks, Sir. I appreciate the info. I thought that I had read that 4451 landed between 4350 and 4831, and so expected it to be a better fit. Can I ask what was the pMax and corresponding charge for 4451?I ran it and it looks way too fast to be optimal. According to QL it pressures out at 92% case fill and gets a max velocity of 2835 in a 24-inch barrel. H4831sc looks optimal for that combo. Hope that helps.