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QuickLOAD & 6.5X47 Lapua

Jeff A

Formerly known as BikeEffects
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If there are people here who are QuickLOAD users and shoot the 6.5 X 47 Lapua and use Lapua brass, I would appreciate knowing what your H2o capacity is when checked in accordance with QuickLOAD's instructions.

Thanks......
 
I use QL and shoot a 6.5X47 using Lapua brass and have checked my H2o capacity but I can't say that it was checked according to QL instructions so I didn't answer. Your question has conditions that I didn't meet. My H2o capacity is 48.4
 
I have not checked mine in a while but I would agree with the snake about 48.5. Quick Load shows 48 grains I have found all the cases I have measured will be slightly more, up to a grain than what Quick Load shows.
 
TheSnake said:
I use QL and shoot a 6.5X47 using Lapua brass and have checked my H2o capacity but I can't say that it was checked according to QL instructions so I didn't answer. Your question has conditions that I didn't meet. My H2o capacity is 48.4

Thanks for your reply. I have found the default numbers in QuickLOAD never seem to be the same as my brass or chamber. What are you doing differently for checking water capacity?
 
Immaterial issue!

Just load 38.0 grs. Varget with a BR4 primer and it'll shoot lights out....provided Jon Beanland made up your rifle!!
 
RMulhern said:
Immaterial issue!

Just load 38.0 grs. Varget with a BR4 primer and it'll shoot lights out....provided Jon Beanland made up your rifle!!

And with what bullet would that load be?
 
I fully prep my brass, tape off the primer pocket, add a drop of liquid detergent to a cup of water. Weigh the case empty then slowly fill the case with a syringe and weigh it again to get mine.
 
TheSnake said:
I fully prep my brass, tape off the primer pocket, add a drop of liquid detergent to a cup of water. Weigh the case empty then slowly fill the case with a syringe and weigh it again to get mine.

Just an FYI, Robert. QL says to use a fired case and leave the spent primer intact.

A little off topic. Robert, all last summer I meant to take a photo with me and my shooting bench on top of my motorhome. It is for sale, so with any luck, I will never be able to take that photo.
 
Nomad47 said:
TheSnake said:
I fully prep my brass, tape off the primer pocket, add a drop of liquid detergent to a cup of water. Weigh the case empty then slowly fill the case with a syringe and weigh it again to get mine.

Just an FYI, Robert. QL says to use a fired case and leave the spent primer intact.

A little off topic. Robert, all last summer I meant to take a photo with me and my shooting bench on top of my motorhome. It is for sale, so with any luck, I will never be able to take that photo.

Well if you do what QL recommends and get the reading before resizing the cases, your reading will change after you resize the cases especially if you FL resize. I will do both on the same case next time to see. Maybe it's the reading with the case as close to its max blown out size in the chamber they are looking for and doing it just after being fired would be closer. Maybe I should read the QL recommendations again as it's been a long time.

Bill,
Your motor home for sale or the shooting bench? You find yourself some place to park for awhile? Either way, I hope you do well on your sale.
 
TheSnake said:
Nomad47 said:
TheSnake said:
I fully prep my brass, tape off the primer pocket, add a drop of liquid detergent to a cup of water. Weigh the case empty then slowly fill the case with a syringe and weigh it again to get mine.

Just an FYI, Robert. QL says to use a fired case and leave the spent primer intact.

A little off topic. Robert, all last summer I meant to take a photo with me and my shooting bench on top of my motorhome. It is for sale, so with any luck, I will never be able to take that photo.

Well if you do what QL recommends and get the reading before resizing the cases, your reading will change after you resize the cases especially if you FL resize. I will do both on the same case next time to see. Maybe it's the reading with the case as close to its max blown out size in the chamber they are looking for and doing it just after being fired would be closer. Maybe I should read the QL recommendations again as it's been a long time.

Bill,
Your motor home for sale or the shooting bench? You find yourself some place to park for awhile? Either way, I hope you do well on your sale.

The QuickLOAD program's author says to use brass that has been fired in your chamber. I for one would not second guess this procedure as he has set the program up to use non resized cases.
 
First, I think QL assumes that you are shooting a custom bolt gun that is the reason why it says to use a fired case. If you are shooting a gas gun, you are going to need to size before measuring.

However, the problem is for some calibers, QL’s default value seems very low. For example, it’s number for a 223 Rem is 1.87 mL whereas my average measured volume for Lapua brass which we know have thick walls has an average of 2.04 mL – that is a 0.17 mL difference which is huge… Can’t even guess how they got that value….
 
jlow said:
First, I think QL assumes that you are shooting a custom bolt gun that is the reason why it says to use a fired case. If you are shooting a gas gun, you are going to need to size before measuring.

However, the problem is for some calibers, QL’s default value seems very low. For example, it’s number for a 223 Rem is 1.87 mL whereas my average measured volume for Lapua brass which we know have thick walls has an average of 2.04 mL – that is a 0.17 mL difference which is huge… Can’t even guess how they got that value….

I don't know where you are getting your information. I would think that if he had procedures for different rifles, it would be stated. I have worked with the US distributor and there was no mention of this. In addition there are many precision shooters here that use QuickLOAD and I have never heard of the things you mention.
 
BikeEffects said:
jlow said:
First, I think QL assumes that you are shooting a custom bolt gun that is the reason why it says to use a fired case. If you are shooting a gas gun, you are going to need to size before measuring.

However, the problem is for some calibers, QL’s default value seems very low. For example, it’s number for a 223 Rem is 1.87 mL whereas my average measured volume for Lapua brass which we know have thick walls has an average of 2.04 mL – that is a 0.17 mL difference which is huge… Can’t even guess how they got that value….

I don't know where you are getting your information. I would think that if he had procedures for different rifles, it would be stated. I have worked with the US distributor and there was no mention of this. In addition there are many precision shooters here that use QuickLOAD and I have never heard of the things you mention.
You think? Wouldn't be so sure. If what people knows and accept is always right there wouldn't be any new stuff...

His stuff is very good but not bulletproof, the case volume is a good example....
 
jlow said:
BikeEffects said:
jlow said:
First, I think QL assumes that you are shooting a custom bolt gun that is the reason why it says to use a fired case. If you are shooting a gas gun, you are going to need to size before measuring.

However, the problem is for some calibers, QL’s default value seems very low. For example, it’s number for a 223 Rem is 1.87 mL whereas my average measured volume for Lapua brass which we know have thick walls has an average of 2.04 mL – that is a 0.17 mL difference which is huge… Can’t even guess how they got that value….

I don't know where you are getting your information. I would think that if he had procedures for different rifles, it would be stated. I have worked with the US distributor and there was no mention of this. In addition there are many precision shooters here that use QuickLOAD and I have never heard of the things you mention.
You think? Wouldn't be so sure. If what people knows and accept is always right there wouldn't be any new stuff...

His stuff is very good but not bulletproof, the case volume is a good example....

Well, too much time on this subject but i will say one more thing. Just talked to Ed Dillon of NECO, the US Distributor. He said gas gun or bolt gun is the same procedure as the case has fully expanded by the time the bullet reaches the gas port. You of course, may do anything you please but I think most people would follow the instructions of the Writer of the software.
 
BikeEffects said:
jlow said:
BikeEffects said:
jlow said:
First, I think QL assumes that you are shooting a custom bolt gun that is the reason why it says to use a fired case. If you are shooting a gas gun, you are going to need to size before measuring.

However, the problem is for some calibers, QL’s default value seems very low. For example, it’s number for a 223 Rem is 1.87 mL whereas my average measured volume for Lapua brass which we know have thick walls has an average of 2.04 mL – that is a 0.17 mL difference which is huge… Can’t even guess how they got that value….

I don't know where you are getting your information. I would think that if he had procedures for different rifles, it would be stated. I have worked with the US distributor and there was no mention of this. In addition there are many precision shooters here that use QuickLOAD and I have never heard of the things you mention.
You think? Wouldn't be so sure. If what people knows and accept is always right there wouldn't be any new stuff...

His stuff is very good but not bulletproof, the case volume is a good example....

Well, too much time on this subject but i will say one more thing. Just talked to Ed Dillon of NECO, the US Distributor. He said gas gun or bolt gun is the same procedure as the case has fully expanded by the time the bullet reaches the gas port. You of course, may do anything you please but I think most people would follow the instructions of the Writer of the software.
The general idea of full expanded sounds good but as we all know, brass has a spring back and so a fired case is actually bigger than an actual “fully expanded” case. So if the slight difference between a fired case and a sized case is so critical, how does the program take into account of the spring back?

I don’t have any problem with the idea that I am not correct but I also don’t tend to accept “conventional wisdom” unless it is explained to me in a way that makes sense and not because so and so said so unless of course it’s the horse’s mouth in which case I would still ask him “why”?

It’s easy to fall back and say “follow the instructions” but when the instructions are not so clear, people will be confused and ask questions. For example, why did TheSnake not follow instructions, not picking on him as I have seen quite a few people do the same. Another question is do you know what “Case Capacity, overflow” means? I have heard on this board that means you fill the brass until you get that convex meniscus? Really?

In the end, this is a very complicated program and the author has done an incredible job, but as with anything like this, it is impossible to be perfect and clear to all the users. The correct thing for a user to do is not to blindly follow something that he has questions on but to ask questions which is what I am doing.
 

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