Quick load data

[dolek]

If you need the software, buy it. Stop begging.

Why not just ignore the post,you did the same crap just last week to another member. You sure have some big internet muscles.

 

[Comrade Terry]

If you need the software, buy it. Stop begging.

Says the cheapskate who won't support our forum.

 

[Zero333]

I'll be happy to post the QL data when I get home in the evening.

What's the length of the bullet ?
What's the COAL ?
Those 2 things are fairly important.

 

[ckaberna]

I'll be happy to post the QL data when I get home in the evening.

What's the length of the bullet ?
What's the COAL ?
Those 2 things are fairly important.

Bullet = .0835"
loaded round=2.205"
seating .008" in

 

[Jammer Six]

Begging is begging.

Quickload is a valuable program; it contains valuable data.

Piracy is theft, buying Quickload and giving the results to someone else is the same as supporting any other begger.

The rest is rationalization and arm waving.

 

[Bc'z]

Oh I forgot lapua brass, and 26" barrel
3.40 coal

 

[ckaberna]

View attachment 1115816
Oh I forgot lapua brass, and 26" barrel
3.40 coal

LOL, That right there is hilarious.... Some folks just do not get it. That is the purpose of this forum is to learn and help all in this sport. If you ask me, "Jammer six" is the one stealing information. Obviously stays on here all day and night policing questions and has yet to offer any financial support to this site. Maybe, broke and butthurt from spending all his funds on quick load?

 

[Bc'z]

Hopefully he too see's the humor.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole piracy thing.
Getting particular info from one member to another is isn't piracy.
Now if say a member with quickload came over and installed his program on my computer for a few, well that would be piracy.

 

[Zero333]

Sharing data is not piracy and the owners of QL have nothing against sharing QL data.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the QL prediction....

MAX = 31.2 gr = 93% case fill = 3,532 fps = 1,800 ft-lbs = 60,923 psi
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cartridge : 6 mm B.R. Norma
Bullet : .243, 65 gr, Custom FP (0.835")
Useable Case Capaci: 35.701 grain H2O = 2.318 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.205 inch = 56.01 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Accurate 2200

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 75 24.96 2898 1212 32832 5790 92.5 1.281
-18.0 77 25.58 2963 1267 34945 5946 93.5 1.250
-16.0 78 26.21 3028 1323 37187 6096 94.5 1.221
-14.0 80 26.83 3092 1380 39567 6239 95.3 1.185
-12.0 82 27.46 3156 1438 42093 6375 96.1 1.153
-10.0 84 28.08 3220 1496 44774 6504 96.9 1.122
-08.0 86 28.70 3283 1556 47622 6625 97.5 1.091
-06.0 88 29.33 3346 1616 50648 6738 98.1 1.062
-04.0 90 29.95 3408 1677 53863 6841 98.6 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 92 30.58 3470 1738 57284 6935 99.0 1.008 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 93 31.20 3532 1800 60923 7020 99.4 0.982 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 95 31.82 3593 1863 64800 7095 99.6 0.957 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 97 32.45 3653 1926 68931 7159 99.8 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 99 33.07 3713 1990 73339 7212 100.0 0.909 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
===========================================================

32.1 gr = 3,620 fps = 66,594 psi !!!
32.7 gr = 3,677 fps = 70,677 psi !!!

 

[Zero333]

QL prediction seems in line with Western Powders data with 60 and 68 gr Berger FB.

Western's data MAX with 60 gr is 31.9 gr... and with 68 gr max is 30.4 gr.
Their coal is a little shorter and they show 58,700 psi as MAX in their data.

 

[Zero333]

View attachment 1115816
Oh I forgot lapua brass, and 26" barrel
3.40 coal

I'd like to help, but my QL doesn't have RL-26 in the data . I have not updated my QL version is a long time.

Anyone who want's QL data can PM me any time. I'm happy to help and I don't want people to think like they're bothering me. You can ask me a million different combinations and I'll gladly do it.

 

[ckaberna]

I'd like to help, but my QL doesn't have RL-26 in the data . I have not updated my QL version is a long time.

Anyone who want's QL data can PM me any time. I'm happy to help and I don't want people to think like they're bothering me. You can ask me a million different combinations and I'll gladly do it.

Thanks so much.

 

[Bc'z]

I'd like to help, but my QL doesn't have RL-26 in the data . I have not updated my QL version is a long time.

Anyone who want's QL data can PM me any time. I'm happy to help and I don't want people to think like they're bothering me. You can ask me a million different combinations and I'll gladly do it.

I appreciate all the help you've given me and others.
Also not the 1st time you've made this offer.
As far as the Rl26 is concerned I'll load 3 of each charge in .5 increments starting at 58gr and work up to 60-60.5 gr looking for pressure signs.
I've gone as high as 62gr Rl26 with 180gr bullets.

 

[B23]

Sharing data is not piracy and the owners of QL have nothing against sharing QL data.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the QL prediction....

MAX = 31.2 gr = 93% case fill = 3,532 fps = 1,800 ft-lbs = 60,923 psi
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

32.1 gr = 3,620 fps = 66,594 psi !!!
32.7 gr = 3,677 fps = 70,677 psi !!!

Zero333, per QL you need to add 7200 to the default start pressure of 3625 whenever you are seating the bullets to touching and or jammed or it'll show lower pressures and velocities than what you really have. When I increased the start pressure to 10,825 because the OP is loading into the lands the velocity from QL is nearly identical to what he is actually getting, but the pressures are much higher than what you're showing as well. If you hold your pointer arrow over the start pressure box a little popup message will appear and down at the bottom of that popup it has a Warning that explains it.

 

[Zero333]

Zero333, per QL you need to add 7200 to the default start pressure of 3625 whenever you are seating the bullets to touching and or jammed or it'll show lower pressures and velocities than what you really have. When I increased the start pressure to 10,825 because the OP is loading into the lands the velocity from QL is nearly identical to what he is actually getting, but the pressures are much higher than what you're showing as well. If you hold your pointer arrow over the start pressure box a little popup message will appear and down at the bottom of that popup it has a Warning that explains it.

Thanks for the reminder. I find most of the time loading around 0.010" in the lands only raises the pressure a couple thousands psi... I use 5,200 to 5,400 start pressure psi when loading between 0.010" and 0.020" in the lands. 0.008" in the lands usually doesn't raise the pressure enough to worry about it. When I say "In the Lands" I mean NOT jammed. If bullet is Jammed in the lands, the I use between 10,000 and 11,000 psi start pressure.

 

[B23]

I appreciate all the help you've given me and others.
Also not the 1st time you've made this offer.
As far as the Rl26 is concerned I'll load 3 of each charge in .5 increments starting at 58gr and work up to 60-60.5 gr looking for pressure signs.
I've gone as high as 62gr Rl26 with 180gr bullets.

QL doesn't have Bison bullets in their data base so I used a Berger 200gr in place. Having said that, it shows 62gr of RL26 as being max, per SAAMI pressure max of 60,000, and a velocity of 2851fps and that information is only valid if you are seating off the lands, if you are seating them out to touching, the max will be less than 62gr.

 

[B23]

Thanks for the reminder. I find most of the time loading around 0.010" in the lands only raises the pressure a couple thousands psi... I use 5,200 to 5,400 start pressure psi when loading between 0.010" and 0.020" in the lands. 0.008" in the lands usually doesn't raise the pressure enough to worry about it. When I say "In the Lands" I mean NOT jammed. If bullet is Jammed in the lands, the I use between 10,000 and 11,000 psi start pressure.

Not trying to argue with you, but isn't anything that is seated "in the lands" considered jammed?

Whether or not it raises the pressure high enough to "show" pressure signs on your brass or with your gun, would largely be determined how close to max you are, before, you seat them into the lands. A max load with the bullets seated 10 thou off of touching may not show pressure but it very likely will if you don't reduce the load then seat them into the lands.

 

[Zero333]

Not trying to argue with you, but isn't anything that is seated "in the lands" considered jammed?

Whether or not it raises the pressure high enough to "show" pressure signs on your brass or with your gun, would largely be determined how close to max you are, before, you seat them into the lands. A max load with the bullets seated 10 thou off of touching may not show pressure but it very likely will if you don't reduce the load then seat them into the lands.

I understand what you're saying and I agree.

Jammed is not the same as In the lands. Many of my barrels don't jam the bullet until around 0.030" in the lands. It has to do how it feels when extracting a live round, and weather there is resistance when pulling the bolt back on the live round. I can load 0.020" in the lands with some of my barrels and extracting a live round feels no different than if it was loaded to jump to the lands.

 

[B23]

We'll just have to agree to disagree because to me, "in the lands" and "jamming", is the same thing. For me, a jam fit is anything where the bullet is seated further out than just touching, whether it's 5 thou in or 30 thou, anything past touching is a jam fit. I guess I've never heard anyone determine if it's a jam fit based only on if it's so far in that it does or tries to pull the bullet out of the case.

 

[Bc'z]

QL doesn't have Bison bullets in their data base so I used a Berger 200gr in place. Having said that, it shows 62gr of RL26 as being max, per SAAMI pressure max of 60,000, and a velocity of 2851fps and that information is only valid if you are seating off the lands, if you are seating them out to touching, the max will be less than 62gr.

Thanks for the info.
I generally start at touch and work my way back from lands during seating tests.
All this in preparation of my first custom barrel.
I'm praying I dont have to get into neck turning.