I just got my 22-250 built and went to the range today for sight in and I'm having a little problem. The extractor will not hold on the case and it just pulls the brass back a little then it falls free. If really "whip" the bolt back about 6 out of 10 will extract/eject but I don't run my bolt guns that way. Funny thing is this action functioned perfectly while in use as a 6.5 Creedmmor never failing to extract every round. Could it be the 22-250 case?
Question about Savage extractors not holding
- Thread starter Lefty Trigger
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Hotshot
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I have some Savage rifles that I use for target shooting and prairie dog shooting from the bench. I shoot single shot and I want the brass to fall off the bolt face and just sit there. The way I accomplish this is to take out the ejector. So my point is check your ejector to make sure it's keeping pressure on the case head as you extract the brass. It only takes a little spec of dirt or carbon to gum up the ejector spring. Also make sure the extractor isn't gummed up a little. If all that is well buy a new extractor for about $3.00. I have never had trouble with 22-250 brass on the standard Savage bolt head.
nmkid
Gold $$ Contributor
How true! Mine started not ejecting from one shot to the next. Took the ejector apart and caught in the spring was a small piece of brass(?) Maybe a piece of a primer. Anyway, got everything cleaned out and wiped the spring with an oily rag and my problem was solved.
Thanks guys but I have had it apart several times to check and clean things. Found an "improved extractor" kit on the net, wonder what is improved and if it would help?
NorCalMikie
Gold $$ Contributor
Sharp Shooter Supply has "extractor" kits that are suppose to take care of those problems. I had issues and replaced the extractor "balls". Took care of that!! Local bike shop carries ball bearings that improve the issue. They use them as wheel bearings. Baggie/old pill bottle, pocket magnet and a couple of $$ will get you a small supply.
I single shoot all my Savage rigs with no ejector so my fired brass stays on the bolt head till I pick it off.
I single shoot all my Savage rigs with no ejector so my fired brass stays on the bolt head till I pick it off.
nmkid
Gold $$ Contributor
Would you like to try an extractor kit?
That is a beauty, whos action is that??
mikeeg02
Michael Glantz
Its a kelbly grizzly. I have three of them now. lol. All have been nitride coated as well. Trying to quit....
My 12# and 17# rifles. The other I got a new stock to build a dedicated 1k paper gun, and I am planning to start the inletting in january. So these should be left alone to play with 850-1k silhouettes. Maybe the occasional short range ground hog match. Never mind the mess.
My 12# and 17# rifles. The other I got a new stock to build a dedicated 1k paper gun, and I am planning to start the inletting in january. So these should be left alone to play with 850-1k silhouettes. Maybe the occasional short range ground hog match. Never mind the mess.
If your Savage has a blind magazine, check to make sure it is clear of the bolt and case as you draw back the bolt. I have found that the magazine can knock the case off the extractor during draw back if it's not firmly seated in the stock's magazine well.
I have since removed the ejectors on all (except my hunting rig) Savages and simply pick the brass off the bolt and return it to the box.
Edited to correct ejector, not extractor
I have since removed the ejectors on all (except my hunting rig) Savages and simply pick the brass off the bolt and return it to the box.
Edited to correct ejector, not extractor
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memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
As mentioned above, the ejector and extractors can get gunked up, sometimes a little crud builds up under the lip of the extractor.
Also, as mentioned above, a slightly larger ball for the detent in the extractor takes a little of the 'slop' out and often helps keep it located better, which can aid extraction. You can find them at your local Ace hardware store - hint: 0.140" is pretty damn close to 9/64...
If all the above doesn't work - and I've had at least one gun where it didn't - try checking your brass. Seriously.
What I found was that one particular brand (H), had extractor grooves that were just a bit on the small side (.391-.397"). Still technically within SAAMI spec (.409" - 20), but considerably smaller than most every *other* brand (.404-.407") of the same case head that I had around (and I had a fair 'sample size' to choose from...). The cases with grooves above a certain diameter (.395") would stay 'pinned' between the extractor and ejector and pop out of the gun just fine. The cases with grooves below a certain diameter (.393") would extract from the chamber just fine, but as soon as the case mouth cleared the chamber, they'd drop free of the bolt face when there wasn't enough 'pinch' between the ejector and the extractor to make them stay put. The few in-between those two numbers were the ones that maybe would eject, maybe not. Basically if the extractor doesn't actually bottom out in the groove, it can't hang onto the case rim. Changing brands of brass 'fixed' the problem immediately, and the cases pretty much 'flew' out of the gun...
YMMV,
Monte
Also, as mentioned above, a slightly larger ball for the detent in the extractor takes a little of the 'slop' out and often helps keep it located better, which can aid extraction. You can find them at your local Ace hardware store - hint: 0.140" is pretty damn close to 9/64...
If all the above doesn't work - and I've had at least one gun where it didn't - try checking your brass. Seriously.
What I found was that one particular brand (H), had extractor grooves that were just a bit on the small side (.391-.397"). Still technically within SAAMI spec (.409" - 20), but considerably smaller than most every *other* brand (.404-.407") of the same case head that I had around (and I had a fair 'sample size' to choose from...). The cases with grooves above a certain diameter (.395") would stay 'pinned' between the extractor and ejector and pop out of the gun just fine. The cases with grooves below a certain diameter (.393") would extract from the chamber just fine, but as soon as the case mouth cleared the chamber, they'd drop free of the bolt face when there wasn't enough 'pinch' between the ejector and the extractor to make them stay put. The few in-between those two numbers were the ones that maybe would eject, maybe not. Basically if the extractor doesn't actually bottom out in the groove, it can't hang onto the case rim. Changing brands of brass 'fixed' the problem immediately, and the cases pretty much 'flew' out of the gun...
YMMV,
Monte
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nmkid
Gold $$ Contributor
What mess. All I see is 2 beautiful rifles!
mikeeg02
Michael Glantz
Lol thank you. Last year was an expensive year !
I've found with mine and a few others that it is extracting and ejecting just fine - but it's kicking the brass into the receiver, coming off the extractor, and ending up sitting in my single shot sled (or the magazine for others). I'm not sure what fixes it, it's exactly what I want for F class so I haven't put any time into trying to fix it.
memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
@Jacob.A that's pretty much the definition of 'not' extracting and ejecting 'just fine'. The fix is what's already been discussed.
Sometimes even that doesn't work 100%, with really short/stubby cartridges like a BR. SSS was making modified bolt heads for a while to address that particular problem; I believe they were taking a .223 Rem bolt head, opening up the diameter, and then re-boring the ejector plunger hole (since it started out closer to center line) for a new larger custom plunger. Actually worked pretty slick. Unfortunately I don't think Fred makes those anymore. I wonder if @Grimstod might be interested in a new project...
Sometimes even that doesn't work 100%, with really short/stubby cartridges like a BR. SSS was making modified bolt heads for a while to address that particular problem; I believe they were taking a .223 Rem bolt head, opening up the diameter, and then re-boring the ejector plunger hole (since it started out closer to center line) for a new larger custom plunger. Actually worked pretty slick. Unfortunately I don't think Fred makes those anymore. I wonder if @Grimstod might be interested in a new project...
The biggest problem seems to be related to the 223 cartridge. As the spent cartridge is drawn back by the bolt and the case neck clears the breech, it flips sideways and slams against the bolt lug abutment so hard it leaves a dent in the case. The inertia from this sudden stop causes the case head to disengage from the extractor and fall onto the magazine, sometimes even flipping around backwards in the process. Very hard to pick a case that's backwards, especially if you've run the bolt forward to try to pick it up again. Cleaning rod time!
With the barrel removed from the action, I blended the corner of the bolt abutment to lessen damage to the cases. I purchased two extractor kits, only to never install them as I decided to remove the ejectors and just pick the case out instead of chasing it around the bench or using the two hand eject method, catching the case.
It seems not all Savage 223's suffer this ejection problem. I have one that ejects very reliably. I found I can flip the bolt back with my finger tips, open my hand and catch the cartridge mid-flight and return it to its position in the loading block. That technique didn't help my shooting one bit, but it seems it was entertaining to those next to me who'd stop shooting for a while and watch me cycle the bolt, probably hoping I'd miss one
With the barrel removed from the action, I blended the corner of the bolt abutment to lessen damage to the cases. I purchased two extractor kits, only to never install them as I decided to remove the ejectors and just pick the case out instead of chasing it around the bench or using the two hand eject method, catching the case.
It seems not all Savage 223's suffer this ejection problem. I have one that ejects very reliably. I found I can flip the bolt back with my finger tips, open my hand and catch the cartridge mid-flight and return it to its position in the loading block. That technique didn't help my shooting one bit, but it seems it was entertaining to those next to me who'd stop shooting for a while and watch me cycle the bolt, probably hoping I'd miss one
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