Question about baiting coyotes!

[5spd]

Right now I have a spot with 5 large cow carcasses, probably 7500 lb. worth of meat, not 1 has been chomped on by coyotes, just birds.
Now they are coming into the dead pile and I'm watching coyote just walk around them, then go to year old boned out carcasses to peel what's left off them.
It has not been to cold and no snow, so they have tons of other game to eat still.
On another ranch I have a 9 month cow carcass that's just now starting to get chomped on, but not very much.
I've laid out road kill deer 30 yards from cow carcasses and they are decimated within 3 days, cows not touched.
Need 2 feet of snow and sub zero temps for them to start on those carcasses I think.

 

[McStocks]

More good info! Thanks!
What I have out now is a couple - headless buck from a taxidermist and a road kill doe! Shot two coyotes the first week - then nothing. Even added table scraps and a couple coons!
Steve

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I don't put raccoon or opossum out for bait, coyote here won't eat them. Rabbit guts,heads will get ate of course. They will carry off fish carcasses,as will fox and crows/eagles.

 

[STS]

I've been after these critters for more than 5 decades. In the northern plains and mountain states the thing that will turn on calling response better than anything else is frozen ground. I locks up their primary food source which is small rodents. I've seen a single hard cold snap change the calling like night and day. If there is one feed that they prefer over all others in cold weather is horse meat. They will travel great distances to feed on a horse carcass.

 

[GaryL1959]

Improvements in rifles, optics, night and thermal scopes etc have given hunters a big advantage. Electronic calls have also made it a much easier game. The dumb coyotes are possibly getting shot out. They also learn fast and are smart too.

This ^^
It seems around here that anyone than can afford thermal / night vision and an electronic caller immediately become "expert coyote hunters" when they call and kill a couple of young of the year pups.
Coyotes are SMART. Shoot the one you see on a calling stand or bait pile, chances are there's at least one more that you didn't see, and that one won't be back unless he's starving. Miss one, and he's not coming back at all.
Last week, I finished up a trapping job on a local farm after 3 different groups of callers (7 guys) had been on it at least 2 nights a week mid September to the end of October. Total coyotes killed by the callers, 5. Set it up on November 5th. Twelve traps set, first night coyote catch, 5. Three the second night. Then rain for 3 days. Finished up with 17 trapped coyotes off of the same property in 3 weeks.

Trapping is just like calling, tho, in that you'd better catch him on his first visit. If a coyote gets pinched but not caught, or a face full of dirt from a trap spinning, it's almost a guarantee that it will not be caught in the same type of set with the same scent.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Walk in bait(old horse) great bear,wolf,coyote bait.

 

[Twdmar]

One other thing I noticed when I was still chasing coyotes, is their dislike for roads. Probably from getting shot at. If i wanted to call any in, I had to snowshoe to a spot where no roads were nearby. In some areas where the roads are on 1 mile grids, finding them was very difficult.
The electronic calls have fooled coyotes to come in but if it's not combined with good planning, like a downwind observer to whack the coyotes that circles around, the calls get associated with people.

 

[Scalloper]

When I bait for coyotes I try to shoot only single coyotes and don't miss. If you shoot with multiple coyotes on the bait, the ones that get away will not be back.
It has worked great for me over the years. Road killed deer seem to be the best bait in my experience. Happy hunting!
Paul

I have hunted coyote here in Maine for many years, most success has been over bait. As boltfluter said it is very important to kill every one you fire at. They can/will communicate to others to avoid that location.
I have had good results from cutting a shooting lane through thick brush 70-75 yds out behind my home and putting sensors (2) on trees covering a wider area. I killed 17 the first winter with two doubles, shoot the smallest (normally female) first. 31 in three years and the third year we could not even find a track within 3-4 miles. We have tried baiting on a Icey lake and they coyotes pounded the baits until we put up the sensors then they avoided the bait. We have also tried dairy cows but they always go untouched. I think it could be from the medicine given before the cow/calf passed.
There are quite a few guys in my area that have had great success shooting them over bait from home. In the harsh conditions of winter they come readily if set up properly. You dont need to be 2-300 yds out 70-75 is fine.
I have had my best success with a red LED Kill Light. Whenever I tried green they would bolt away.

 

[markT]

A quote:
They'll hear ya three times, see ya twice, but only smell ya once.

Play the Rabbit, and they will come.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I shoot with a suppressor, with day time sleeping pairs, if I head shoot one the other one will usually only run 10-20 yards and stop. At night with pairs over bait, it is not unusual for the second to come back(can be 20 minutes or 2hrs). Only rifle cartridge I had same response while not using a suppressor is the 17rem. Baits that are located where territory lines intersect are better for numbers and visits at different times during the night. Coyote have travel routes(often shared between families/packs) a bait will start quicker when there is competition for food. And definitely crusted snow will help with bait site activities, as will breeding season. You will find scratching(v shaped) sign on territory boundaries.

 

[xswanted]

This may seem odd, but I assure you it's true! I've been baiting coyotes with deer and calf carcasses for a couple of years now in Central Kansas. I place them 210 yards from my front door in my creek and have a driveway alarm nearby to wake me up for the action! I use an ATN Thermal Scope on an AR or a .243 Gen II DPMS.
After I place them, they come to the buffet after a couple of days. I suppose they wait to get the human scent off??? The strange question I have is why do they come in for several days and then quit!? I've had deer and calves laying out for over a month and not been touched! I've removed or left dead varmints, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Anyone have any ideas!?
Steve McGee

Because they travel.

You might have a local group that is in the area, eats then leaves.

Might take them a few days to come back through.

 

[wedgy]

A couple places I call are small areas and the dogs can go downwind fast so I spray a little anchovy oil or rabbit urine so when they get about half way the cross wind holds them for a couple seconds to get a shot. You might try some of the lures from F&T.
Put electrical tape over the red light on the driveway alert, they also react to "no glow" trail cameras almost as much as the low glow, not sure what they are looking at but i have a bunch staring at the cameras, still and video.

Trapping - F&T Fur Harvester's Trading Post

www.fntpost.com

 

[75vmax]

I think there are 2 different types of coyotes. Educated ones and not Educated. Most of the ones around here love Allsups burritos that people throw out window. Those coyotes are barditch dogs very hard to call in. Then you have the uneducated ones that stay out in The pasture with the castle. Seem to think they eat more traditional food and have less human contact. These are the easy dogs to kill.

 

[nmkid]

Not what the OP asked but, I know for a fact that coyotes can hardly resist cow afterbirth. I have seen them circling cows almost as if they are punch drunk. Easy pickings then but, shooting coyotes almost next to cows is not for the faint of heart or spray-and-pray shooters!

 

[J.d. Popkes]

The most effective/fun coyote killer I’ve ever had. 1982 John Deere trail fire. No gun required but optional. Not fast like todays sleds but fan cooled, simple and indestructible. Didn’t care if it got ridden on patches of grass if that’s where the chase took ya. So fun……

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Walk in bait(old horse) great bear,wolf,coyote bait.

I would have a problem with that one.

 

[davidjoe]

I would have a problem with that one.

No. This is man versus predator. How about searching with a drone carrying an IPhone for an active den then hovering over it for a while, recording the sound that pups are making. Download that to a mesh covered subterranean PA system, wallow in some mud, don the ghillie suit, affix the night vision, and see how many females will put their maternal instinct first. Phhhhtt… heh, she couldn’t even tell her own pups apart, showed ‘em again. And her pups too, wherever they are.

 

[DHuffman]

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The most effective/fun coyote killer I’ve ever had. 1982 John Deere trail fire. No gun required but optional. Not fast like todays sleds but fan cooled, simple and indestructible. Didn’t care if it got ridden on patches of grass if that’s where the chase took ya. So fun……

I concur, had the same machine LOL

 

[dunraven]

This may seem odd, but I assure you it's true! I've been baiting coyotes with deer and calf carcasses for a couple of years now in Central Kansas. I place them 210 yards from my front door in my creek and have a driveway alarm nearby to wake me up for the action! I use an ATN Thermal Scope on an AR or a .243 Gen II DPMS.
After I place them, they come to the buffet after a couple of days. I suppose they wait to get the human scent off??? The strange question I have is why do they come in for several days and then quit!? I've had deer and calves laying out for over a month and not been touched! I've removed or left dead varmints, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Anyone have any ideas!?
Steve McGee

Been baiting with calves and deer for years. Coyotes eventually find them and clean them up, but they always seem to be there when I'm not. Caught one in a leg trap placed alongside, but for the most part they manage to avoid the traps. Calling just doesn't work like it does on TV programs! Frustrating. Maybe this new thermal will be a game-changer.

 

[Clancy]

A quote:
They'll hear ya three times, see ya twice, but only smell ya once.

Play the Rabbit, and they will come.

Also, wear a ghillie…. Those guys are weird.