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Purdy Rx calculator

I’m looking for someone that totally understands the calculated results for the Purdy Rx calculator. I’ve gone in and entered by numbers which are similar to the example below. I understand paragraph (2) those numbers which again mine are similar to. I understand paragraph (3) that the distance should be measured from the tuner barrel face, not the tuner inner tube. Now comes paragraph (4) and a response to it paragraph (5). This is where the confusion sets in for me. I’m okay up to the “it appears sentence in that paragraph. Where does the 250 plus 0.3 x 250 come from? I understand the 250 number but where does the 0.3 come from? Now for paragraph (5), total confusion. So, when using the result numbers, you do the subtraction as he stated for the End Correction to get the right setting? Then suddenly the weight ring comes into place which was never discussed or I don’t believe used in the calculations. Again that 0.3 number.

I hope someone out there can help me understand this all.

This example is for a 24” barrel. Much as I have, I have, a 24.5”.

According to Purdy Rx, acoustic length needs to be 27” for 9th harmonic. I removed and cleaned the Harrell’s tuner but left the extension ring off that I have for it. I’ve never found any instructions online for the tuner. It appears to me to have range from 0 to 5 with 1/4 marks. The “barrel” has 25 clicks per revolution. I was originally thinking this was some sort of length scale but now I’m thinking it’s just a way to count clicks.

Since the optimum harmonic length of 27’ is longer than the physical length of the barrel and we desire the ability to fine tune the barrel, we install the Harrell’s tuner. Most of the online Purdy calculators already have the key dimensions for the Harrell’s tuner already entered and my measurements confirmed those default values. Using a 1.34” tuner diameter and a 0.62” inner tube diameter, the end correction reduces the optimum tuner length to 2.814”.

Here is my question. Is the tuner length measured from the inside face, which contacts the end of the barrel, to the edge of the inner tube or to the face of the tuner barrel? I’m guessing it’s to the face of the tuner barrel since that’s the distance that changes as the tuner barrel is turned in and out.

So, with the tuner barrel set at 2.5, which I’m assuming means 250 clicks out from zero, the distance from the inner face to the face of the outer barrel is about 2.56”. That’s still a little short of the 2.814” needed. If I adjust the tuner to 500 clicks, the length is now about 3.5”. So, it appears that the required length of 2.814” can be achieved somewhere around 325 clicks (250 plus 0.3 x 250). Is this the way the tuner works with the Purdy Rx? If so, then I don’t think the extension ring is necessary.


You are correct that the acoustic length for your 24" barrel is 27, but I think you may have forgotten to remove the End Correction to account for the tuners opening diameter. With the weight ring in place, the EC would be figured by multiplying the ring's opening (.92) by .3. This would be .276. Subtract this from the from the acoustic length, 27 - .276 = 26.724. To figure from the muzzle just subtract the original barrel length. 26.726 - 24 = 2.726.
 
You don't with a carpentar tape. Can you get close yes with one that has good small markings. If you're serious then you use a dial indicater. It will also do a depth measurement.
 
You don't with a carpentar tape. Can you get close yes with one that has good small markings. If you're serious then you use a dial indicater. It will also do a depth measurement.
You need a depth micrometer to measure properly for the tuner length. and if you really want to do it correctly get a depth micrometer to measure the barrel too. they do make them. without the exact barrel length, it will be a guessing game.
after spending the time and money to do this correctly it will get you close maybe to the setting you are after.
you are better off using the old Hopewell method of shoot and adjust till you find the best setting.

Lee
 
You don't with a carpentar tape. Can you get close yes with one that has good small markings. If you're serious then you use a dial indicater. It will also do a depth measurement.
I have never heard of anyone that didn't run a rod down the bore to the bolt face and then mark the end of the barrel on the rod and measure it with a carpenter tape.
 
Love the talk about precise .001’s.
The overwhelming majority that use Tony’s methodology don’t seem to realize it will “ get you in the neighborhood“ but you need to fine tune it, or, for a 24.5” you’re likely gonna end up between 200-250.
One is hard and somewhat inconsistent, one is easy and fairly predictable.
 
I have never heard of anyone that didn't run a rod down the bore to the bolt face and then mark the end of the barrel on the rod and measure it with a carpenter tape.
I've used a dro on a mill to be as precise as possible measuring the bbl length but I never found that tuning method to be of much value to me in that, I could tune the rifle just as well without any regard for it and that ugly tube sticking out. Lol!
 
Check out the Pro Shot tuner site. Clint Swigert has the info to help you out. For myself it simplifies a method that otherwise give me information overload in my aging brain.
 
You guys been doing this a lot longer than me...but FWIW, with my one and only Harrel's tuner, I used "Purdy" to determine what band to adopt for proceeding into "Intermediate Tuning Part 2, Hopewell", and so on.
 

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Can you explain or anyone explain to me why this formula won't work for a heavy reverse taper barrel?

FYI, even the originator of this formula doesn't know or couldn't explain why it doesn't work on this type of barrel.

Lee
Well this system supposedly works by adjusting the vibrations of the air column in a tube, which does not change with the outer profile of the barrel. It works for some shooters but so does just setting the tuner at 200.
 
Can you explain or anyone explain to me why this formula won't work for a heavy reverse taper barrel?

FYI, even the originator of this formula doesn't know or couldn't explain why it doesn't work on this type of barrel.

Lee
Just one more reason you don’t want one Lee.
 
Well this system supposedly works by adjusting the vibrations of the air column in a tube, which does not change with the outer profile of the barrel. It works for some shooters but so does just setting the tuner at 200.
In theory if you believe the air column thing barrel profile shouldn't have any influence on the PRX formula.
same with tuner weight. as I posed this question to the originator of the PRX years ago, why can't you just cut a tube to the exact length and use that. answer because you need weight and in the quoted words otherwise you could just use a paper tube!

Barrel profile affects barrel timing (flex). same with tuner weight.

Lee
 
Are you talking about the barrel? my best shooting ARA UL has a HVRT that is 8 years old.

Lee
Great, Good for you Lee.
Over the years, however, they have become far less common because, I guess, it became, often, like herding cats.
 
Great, Good for you Lee.
Over the years, however, they have become far less common because, I guess, it became, often, like herding cats.
I approached it as a sporter type profile but with the ability to adjust. this why I use a tuner less than 4.5 oz.
it seemed to work.

Lee
 

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