PTG bolt nose concentricity problems!

[mrjdasr]

they probably do these in runs of 500 or maybe even 1000
I wonder how many they scrapped when they discovered they had a problem??
not hard to get a few bad ones out in the field

 

[boltfluter]

But .030". Something went haywire. Maybe they have fixed it because just today they posted a large increase in the price of 1 pc bolts.

.030 is a mile to you and I. But, if an untrained employee does not even understand concentricity by definition, I can easily see this happening. To bad, since their bolts are quite popular. Just something to be wary of. Hopefully they got it figured out.

Paul

 

[shortgrass]

A price increase! OH, my! Maybe they've discovered they need real machinists instead of wanna-be trainees! Just because its a CNC doesn't mean you can stand the untrained in front of it and get good 'parts'.

 

[mrjdasr]

A price increase! OH, my! Maybe they've discovered they need real machinists instead of wanna-be trainees! Just because its a CNC doesn't mean you can stand the untrained in front of it and get good 'parts'.

you must have recently had a tour of PTG shop
how about a detailed report on your tour

 

[carlsbad]

.030 is a mile to you and I. But, if an untrained employee does not even understand concentricity by definition, I can easily see this happening. To bad, since their bolts are quite popular. Just something to be wary of. Hopefully they got it figured out.

Paul

Let's not start rumors. No reason to believe they have non-machinists running machines. And as you point out they do make a LOT of bolts. You and I see a lot of them. I haven't seen any of the bad ones, you've seen 3. It is possible that one bad batch happened on one day when a single error was made. The more parts you make, the more likely you are to make an error. So while your thread points out a need to look at the dimension, we shouldn't assume they are all bad.

--jerry

 

[Someoldguy]

My experience has been that PTG is fine to deal with until there is a problem.

Ordered parts from them. 2 months after the estimated delivery date, parts still weren't ready to ship. They'd already changed my card and wouldn't refund my money, only gave me a store credit.
Fool me once, . . . .

 

[carlsbad]

You have to start out with PTG assuming it will be slow unless it is in stock.

Also, if you are ordering things that you need now that are in stock, don't add a manufactured items (like a bolt) to the order, it will hold then entire order.

I did accidentally add an in-stock, $180 item to my cart twice and didn't notice it on checkout last month. They took the item back without a restocking fee. that was nice.

--jerry

 

[shortgrass]

Let's not start rumors. No reason to believe they have non-machinists running machines. And as you point out they do make a LOT of bolts. You and I see a lot of them. I haven't seen any of the bad ones, you've seen 3. It is possible that one bad batch happened on one day when a single error was made. The more parts you make, the more likely you are to make an error. So while your thread points out a need to look at the dimension, we shouldn't assume they are all bad.

--jerry

I work 8-10hrs a day in a CNC/manual job shop. I make the decisions that are made on the 'shop floor'. If you are not checking what's coming off the machine, you're screwing up. One 'bad' part, maybe 2. Shut it down, make the adjustment/change tools/fix it before you're got a pile of bad parts. And, don't try to pass the bad ones in with the good. "The more you make, the more likely you are to error" is just an excuse. Excuses don't pass in a real machine shop..... PT&G has been making junk for a long time. I won't use one of their reamers, customer supplied, or not. Bad bolts doesn't surprise me in the least. Most on this forum wouldn't allow one 'bad' from their gunsmith, they'd scream bloody murder and declare what a 'hack' he is, and to avoid him. I guess that doesn't fly in this circumstance.

 

[mrjdasr]

I think you are a little out of line calling Kiff a hack
there are a lot of people using PTG products that are completely satisfied with his products

 

[butchlambert]

I've had delivery problems lately, but no out of spec parts.

 

[carlsbad]

I thought I had the wrong reamer...but maybe not. Turns out the reamer they sent me does what I needed and also cuts a rimmed chamber. Not sure they did it on purpose but it worked great. It took a while but I expected that.

 

[Macropod]

I'm just grateful PTG actually exists...