Prs scope reticle
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I prefer a non-tree reticle and run the Nightforce Mil-C on all my comp guns. Lots of top level guys using standard, non-tree reticles since they don't obstruct your vision as much and let you see downrange impacts better.
Holdover stages with lots of wind aren't usually a problem, there are ways you can strategize around them. An example would be to dial in wind for the closest target then hold slightly more for farther targets.
Holdover stages with lots of wind aren't usually a problem, there are ways you can strategize around them. An example would be to dial in wind for the closest target then hold slightly more for farther targets.
Love my Christmas tree when using holdovers for 22 rimfire in wind.
It’s a fluid situation. Was no tree and then trees came out and were the best thing since sliced bread and as the game changed “top guys” started going back to no tree reticles and now that’s the cool thing and everywhere you look people will tell you to go no tree.
My advice is use what you feel comfortable with. I have been shooting the sport for 23 years now and have used both and I like the versatility of the tree reticles and why I use them. I have no issues with seeing trace or impacts or misses to make adjustments, which all are the complaints on the internet. So use what you have now and see what you like and use it.
Finale shooters are generally are split on simple milling + reticles vs. Christmas trees.
I like Christmas trees, in general, but have simpler milling + reticles also, and shoot the same scores between any of them. Pre-covid, we used to have more matches which had stages which required “dial once” so we were required to hold over on the stage - and Christmas trees were more useful then. But that’s been years, and most of us just don’t do much holding over in the reticle alone for large spans of different ranges.
I like Christmas trees, in general, but have simpler milling + reticles also, and shoot the same scores between any of them. Pre-covid, we used to have more matches which had stages which required “dial once” so we were required to hold over on the stage - and Christmas trees were more useful then. But that’s been years, and most of us just don’t do much holding over in the reticle alone for large spans of different ranges.
Good plan. See how you like it and if it doesn’t leave you wanting then stick with that style. Don’t shoot one or two matches and go buy a new scope. Shoot a season and see how it works.
Practice holds as well as there are plenty of us that use holds all the time. Holds can save you time on the clock which is good for a beginner. Practice at home and leave the scope at 0 and practice the day just using holds. It will help you learn how to do it and trust it.
Revisiting this thread this morning - one thing which has seemed to make significant difference for many, many PRS shooters, to the point of bringing nearly universal agreement, is 0.2mil windage hashes on the main stadia (and open dot centers). Not all companies achieve this in the same way, so differentiating between "useful 0.2mil hash marks" and "less useful 0.2mil hash marks" is also worth discussing.
Over the last ~6-8 years, most of the change in PRS competition has been refinement of the target distances and target sizes, and most folks will agree, targets have gotten proportionately smaller - and of course, this happens because the shooters have gotten better at the game, so the challenge had to escalate, and missing 2 shots on a bad wind call because you couldn't precisely measure the correction for the second shot has become a determining factor in match placements... So guys want "Useful 0.2mil windage reticles." **I'll also note here, that these changes are why most of the top guys are not taking the risk of holding down in the christmas tree or ever holding in open glass like we might have done several years ago, and why the "dial once" stages have been removed from courses of fire - the targets are small enough and the penalty of imperfect corrections (even correcting position of impacts on plate) is too high
Comparative examples: The Kahles SKMR4 has 0.2mil windage marks with an open dot center, but the X.2 and X.8 mrad hashes point down only, with the X.4 and X.6mrad hashes being both up and down. This gives the shooter recognizable reference to immediately recognize 0.6 vs. 0.8, and faster reference to hold incrementally between hashes. Alternatively, the Athlon APRS6 uses the same up and down hash marks for all 4 interstitial marks between integer hashes (and they don't have the +/-0.2mil hash line, just the end of the stadia line before the open center). So with a splash in space, it's a little more difficult to recognize and measure on the clock just where the correction should be held.
Kahles SKMR4
Athlon APRS6
And further comparatively - just to illustrate the difference in race-ready, recognizable reference data - here's an illustration of the Bushnell G3 reticle I used when I started, which only offered 0.5mil increments and a closed center. Measuring splits between hashes was only useful within that 0.25mrad "float" falling roughly in the middle of the 0.5mrad gaps, so correcting from a splash to send the next shot still just off of the edge of the plate was that much more common. (No number indicators on the left side kinda sucks also, as we find ourselves counting hash lines on the clock, while the wind changes, instead of simply reading the splash and sending corrected shots). In this comparison, the 0.2mil reticles above can place 3 hashes on the average target at a PRS match (one center, two riding the edges). The older style, less refined 0.5mil increment reticles meant about 1/3-1/2 of targets were smaller than the gap between hashes, and we can only ever fit 2 hashes on a target together (bracketing left and right sides of the plates). So measuring corrections to center shots on the plate is much easier with the 0.2mil reticles.
Bushnell G3 reticle
Throwing another comparison in the mix, the Nightforce Mil-C which is a non-christmas tree reticle, but does have 0.2mil hashes, versus the Nightforce Mil-R which does.... well, kind of a really, really weird thing, with 0.25mil increments of alternating gaps vs. hashes... I think a guy either needs a lot of time, or a LOT of practice to be able to effectively deploy the MIL-R, and I would advise against it for PRS use (plus the closed center).
Nightfoce Mil-C
Nightforce Mil-R
Granted, none of this will take someone from a 25% shooter to an 75% shooter, but most of us recognize that we pick up valuable points by using a 0.2mrad windage reticle over less refined reticles.
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