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Primer leak....grrrrrrr.

bobm

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I was out yesterday at the range with a few rifles. Had my Rem. 788 .222 on the bench landing 52 gr. Sierra HP's on the 400 yd. plate. Had a Federal 205 leak at the shoulder causing a nice deep little burn on the bolt face. The cup wall either had or developed a crack at firing leading to burn through. Load was 22.0 grs. VV 133 in twice fired Winchester brass. First time in about 2800 shots from this gun. Oh well.
 

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I have a particular lot of Winchester Large Rifle primers that have this problem too. First I have heard of it with Federals.
 
I have a particular lot of Winchester Large Rifle primers that have this problem too. First I have heard of it with Federals.

What lot numbers of the WW primers are suspect? Remember seeing something about this a year or so ago.

EDIT: Found 20 lot numbers involved on the 24Hr campfire site and the CMP site. Will try to post the entire list but they are basically lots starting with C, D, E, F, and G manufactured from 2009 thru 2013.
 
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Does that primer have a "hat rim " around it ?
Negative to the "hat rim", just rounded normal pressure appearance. I have gone through all but 150 primers of the original brick of 1000 with no problems. The last brick and a half was CCI 400's. If you enlarge the photo you can see the split leading to the hole. Maybe I should look into annealing the primer cups.....never mind.;)
 
What lot numbers of the WW primers are suspect? Remember seeing something about this a year or so ago.

Actually, there are several lots of Winchester LR primers doing this. You can google it and find them.
Winchester was replacing them and was even paying for some new bolts or bolt heads.

My Savage PTA bolt head on a 260 looks pretty rough. Makes you kinda mad!
I switched to the CCI BR2.
 
Check your stockpiles.
Winchester Large Rifle Primer lot numbers reported to have problems:
CAL401G
CCL435G
CLL555G
DAL594G
DFL717G
DGL741G
DHL766G
DHL766G
DHL774G
DHL788G
DNL836G
DNL837G
EAL008G
EAL018G
EAL234G
EHL067G
FEL255G
GDL225G
GEL250G
GFL284G
Posters on the CMP site received payment for damaged bolts and replacement primers from later lots after contacting Winchester as recently as 2015.
 
The Winchester brass would seem to have a loose pocket from looking at your photo under magnification. The gas cutting started at the bottom of the primer. pocketProblem.JPG
 
Check your stockpiles.
Winchester Large Rifle Primer lot numbers reported to have problems:
CAL401G
CCL435G
CLL555G
DAL594G
DFL717G
DGL741G
DHL766G
DHL766G
DHL774G
DHL788G
DNL836G
DNL837G
EAL008G
EAL018G
EAL234G
EHL067G
FEL255G
GDL225G
GEL250G
GFL284G
Posters on the CMP site received payment for damaged bolts and replacement primers from later lots after contacting Winchester as recently as 2015.


Thanks T.W. !
 
You should definitely anneal your primers before seating them to avoid stress cracking. Should work out great. Don't mind the POP! That's normal. :D

All jokes aside though, this is an unfortunate situation. I use Federal primers almost exclusively in all of my rifles. From GM210M, GM215M, GM205M, and 205 standard. I couldn't even guess how many 205s I've shot in my varmint rifles over the years. Thousands. And I have about 25 thousand more 205s on my shelf for future use. I've never had a single issue like shown in the picture. Doesn't mean I won't ever, but so far so good.

Though the pit on the bolt face will look ugly, it shouldnt effect performance in any way.
 
The Winchester brass would seem to have a loose pocket from looking at your photo under magnification. The gas cutting started at the bottom of the primer. View attachment 975308
I must respectfully disagree with you. This was like scratching a gnats nuts in terms of difficulty. I pried out the anvil. I then used the wrench end of a 1/4-20 tap with it's wedge like taper and tapped the cup to open it. I see no evidence of gas cutting or gas blow by near the open end or along the split surfaces. I think there was a microscopic stress fracture before it got hit with 45K psi of hot flame. The split ended at the shoulder and released the the flame there. The case pocket wall supported the cup wall from spreading open.There was no evidence of leaking inside the case pocket. I seated another 205 and it was factory new tight. I rest my case....a .222 Remington one.
 

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You should definitely anneal your primers before seating them to avoid stress cracking. Should work out great. Don't mind the POP! That's normal. :D

All jokes aside though, this is an unfortunate situation. I use Federal primers almost exclusively in all of my rifles. From GM210M, GM215M, GM205M, and 205 standard. I couldn't even guess how many 205s I've shot in my varmint rifles over the years. Thousands. And I have about 25 thousand more 205s on my shelf for future use. I've never had a single issue like shown in the picture. Doesn't mean I won't ever, but so far so good.

Though the pit on the bolt face will look ugly, it shouldnt effect performance in any way.

I laughed out loud. My wife is very confused.
 
I sat next to a guy shooting a .221 Fireball, using Remington primers that had that problem. In his case the primers dated back to the Nixon years so maybe the material had just aged. How old were the OP's?
 
I sat next to a guy shooting a .221 Fireball, using Remington primers that had that problem. In his case the primers dated back to the Nixon years so maybe the material had just aged. How old were the OP's?
Sportsmans Warehouse was out of CCI 400's five years ago (Obozo, 1st term) but had these in stock. So recent manufacture. With so few left I will discard them to the far reaches of my bench. I have two bricks of 400's I will start using.
 
It looks like to me that there was a bad spot on the cup. Maybe a piece of brass I the mold when they stamped it. I see a little indention to the right of the hole. Matt
 
It looks like to me that there was a bad spot on the cup. Maybe a piece of brass I the mold when they stamped it. I see a little indention to the right of the hole. Matt
Nope....that is a cavity created by the hot gas jet, just like in the steel.:(
 

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Had thishappen back in the late 80s with a brick of Rem 7 1/2s. Didnt see it until a match had been fired and bolt face etched. Rem said they would replace the bolt, I declined because the rifle was quite hot at the time and it was mid seasn. I still have the action and its a 22BR crow gun now. The only negative effect of the etching is yo would have a hard time detecting any new etching. Still shoots well. It had been a 65-284 and the LR primers never showed any effect of the SRP eteches.
 
[QUOTE="rogn, post: 36710429, member: 528585"The only negative effect of the etching is yo would have a hard time detecting any new etching.[/QUOTE]

The bolt face is thick so I can't see how, unless the etching gets deep enough to diminish the structural integrity of the bolt itself, that it is anything other than a cosmetic problem.

I now own a Primer Pocket Go/No-Go gauge for both small and large primer pockets. After a cleaning session they all get a check with the "No-Go" end rather than waiting until I seat a primer and find it loose enough to seat with my thumb.
 

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