Press with the highest mechanical advantage?

[SSL]

This is the best information that I have seen.

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Lots of info there! Thanks!

 

[divingin]

To date, the easiest and slickest case lube has been the Royal case and die lube. I have yet to see shoulder dents also and wipes off easy. Comes in aero, jar, and pump spray.

I've used the aerosol version. It works really well, but it's pretty messy though - hands get gummy when sizing. It does however, seem a lot slicker than, say, One-shot.

 

[WSnyder]

My Redding Ultramag takes noticeably less effort than my Lee Classic Cast Iron.

 

[KMW 1954]

Hand pain, age. There too. Any chance to get a larger diameter handle to relieve some of the grip stress? Maybe a couple thick socks over the ball

 

[59FLH]

“what single-stage press offers the most output of force for the least input? …..hopefully actual experience will weigh in. “

IME the obsolete RCBS Big Max is #1 7/8-14 press and with the optional handle the IP to OP increases. They can still be found occasionally on eBay etc.. if that press is not your style look a 50 BMG presses or something in the Redding Ultra Mag class.

You will need to decide for yourself what press fits your application and budget but these have greater mechanical advantage then a standard class O frame press.

 

[ebb]

I think before I went crazy I'd try a longer handle, and some better lube. I had some brass that was giving me fits sizing back a few months ago and found if I was seated higher than I usually sit I could push down the handle sometimes with 2 hands, rather than seated low where I had to pull down. Does that make any sense?

 

[SSL]

I think before I went crazy I'd try a longer handle, and some better lube. I had some brass that was giving me fits sizing back a few months ago and found if I was seated higher than I usually sit I could push down the handle sometimes with 2 hands, rather than seated low where I had to pull down. Does that make any sense?

Yes, it does. I'll look into that too. I just ordered an upgraded 'roller' type handle for my press. Decided to spend as little as possible first and then consider other things if needed. As to the lube - I certainly haven't tried everything out there, but I have tried Imperial, the old RCBS on a pad and even the old Lee lube you applied with your fingers like the Imperial.
I've also cleaned, examined and lubed all pivot points and such and everything runs like silk...no drag or catches. Like I said, I can breeze through my .17s,.223s and 7BRs and any cartridges on my LoadMaster press, but on my Lee Cast press .22/250 starts to be an effort and .243, .280 and .30/06 takes a lot of effort. Been coming on slowly for a while and I know it's a combo of case length, ergonomics and busted up hands, but I'm certainly not giving up loading!

 

[ebb]

My big project was making 7.7 jap from 30-06. Someone mentioned sizing with an oil and cleaning after, that may be something to try, for me on my next conversion project. When I raised my seat and started pushing it really helped, I don't need to do that all the time but occasionally. I will try the longer handle next time also. I understand messed up hands, I was a carpenter for over 40 years. Just experiment and you will find a way to make it work. Good Luck

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The Forester Coax has a lot of leverage and because the design is very different the stress on your hand will be different. That alone may help.

 

[Link]

Did anyone mention expander ball? That's the best thing to get rid of or modify for me. How much does it take to work the outside of the case a thou or two?

 

[SSL]

Did anyone mention expander ball? That's the best thing to get rid of or modify for me. How much does it take to work the outside of the case a thou or two?

Good thoughts, but the issue occurs when the body of the case is being engaged but the expander is no longer even in contact at that point.

 

[hpshooter]

. To date, the easiest and slickest case lube has been the Royal case and die lube. I have yet to see shoulder dents also and wipes off easy. Comes in aero, jar, and pump spray. To squirts on 100 cases in a bowl shaken up is plenty. Less sizing effort than waxes. Everyone has their own favorite though

A second on this. I spray a couple quick shots into a gallon Ziplock bag, drop 30-40 cases in the bag close the bag and knead the bag for about 30 seconds and start sizing the cases.

Have not had a single stuck case or any oil dents in the 5 or so years I have been using the Royal product. Works great on .222 thru '06 cases. Use it on cases sized on Rock Chuckers, Dillons, and a Redding T-25.

Smoother and less effort on the lever than Imperial or One Shot.

 

[WAMBO]

My Redding Ultramag takes noticeably less effort than my Lee Classic Cast Iron.

I second the Redding Ultramag.

 

[KMW 1954]

I still don't get it. If there is nothing mechanically wrong with the press then why replace it? That press already has compound leverage so just change the mechanical advantage with a different lever or a more cushioned handle, or both.

I could easily understand a replacement if that press was something like a JR or old Spartan or an even older C press with simple mechanical leverage but it is not!

 

[SSL]

I still don't get it. If there is nothing mechanically wrong with the press then why replace it? That press already has compound leverage so just change the mechanical advantage with a different lever or a more cushioned handle, or both.

I could easily understand a replacement if that press was something like a JR or old Spartan or an even older C press with simple mechanical leverage but it is not!

New handle ordered. Starting at the cheapest end and working up if needed.

 

[danny]

Lee cast press is a beast it's over built compared to others.

I'll tell you Hornady unique is some super slick case lube .it's awesome for case forming

So slick and greasy.wax and fairly easy to remove

I have a Lee Classic Cast and a Forster Co-Ax. Some have mentioned the Co-Ax for leverage, but I never felt that it had as much leverage as the Classic Cast. I think both presses are great. I just prefer using the Co-Ax.

Danny

 

[danny]

I still don't get it. If there is nothing mechanically wrong with the press then why replace it? That press already has compound leverage so just change the mechanical advantage with a different lever or a more cushioned handle, or both.

I could easily understand a replacement if that press was something like a JR or old Spartan or an even older C press with simple mechanical leverage but it is not!

Some presses might have more compound leverage built right into the press itself, but it can be difficult to discern by looking.

Danny

 

[nettle]

The lube will make greater difference than the press.

 

[KMW 1954]

New handle ordered. Starting at the cheapest end and working up if needed.

Yes I had seen you have posted this a couple days ago.

 

[Fire Dog]

I was using Imperial sizing die wax for 20 or so years until I tried Ballistic Case Wax after reading about it over on the Sniper's Hide. I bought a tin of it from the gentleman who was praising it no end. Night and day difference. Do a search over on the Hide for Ballistic Case Wax.

Has Anybody Tried Ballistic Case Wax?

Noticed in a recent Youtube video that Erik Cortina posted that he has switched to a new case lube called “Ballistic Case Wax”. Appears to be made in South Africa. Claim to fame seems to be that cases will never get stuck in your dies. That would be nice. Could not find a US distributor. Has...

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PM Herb Stoner, reply #5, ask if he will sell you a tin.
Might not need to buy another press.

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Absolutely, I think that I may have even mentioned the product here {on the Forum} in the past.
Has a higher melt point that Imperial {made in South Africa by the seller's wife} and during the summer if does not get all extra soft and near runny like Imperial...
Seems to also make a difference in force need while sizing and I found that my die sized a case about a thou more than the Imperial Wax setting...!? I supposed that that the case just fit better into the die..??
I got onto it about three years ago and if you can find it in the USA go ahead and treat yourself to can, you won't be sorry...!