I have a premier boosted leupold 18-40x efr that I need some suggestions on. The POA seems to be changing. I can set it at any power leave it there and it shoots true, but if I change the magnification it is off. On the highest magnification you can move the adjusting ring back and forth (just slightly moving it maybe 1/8") while looking through it and the dot seems to move . Any ideas, easy fixes?
Premier boosted Leupold 18-40x efr
- Thread starter jdp
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Premier doesn't do Leupolds anymore but they still fix what they have worked on in the past to the best of my knowledge.
CaptainMal
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I always stick a spudded bore sighter in the barrel. Look through the scope while making adjustments and watch the reticle.
If things are screwed up you will see that easily and to what degree.
If things are screwed up you will see that easily and to what degree.
CatShooter
JohnnyJohnson said:
Not any more - not since Dick died, and Leupold shut Premier off from parts.
The problem with the L. Boosted scopes is that the erector spring loses it's ability to spring back. I spoke to Dick's son and he assured me that he would fix my boosted 20 x 50 scope. Six weeks later he sent it back with a note that they didn't have parts anymore. I even offered to have springs made for them. L. did pull the plug on parts for them but Premier doesn't want anything to do with us.
It's hard to do any repair work on something you can't buy parts for, I too have the same feelings of not wanting to be helped, but in my train of thought it's Leupold that has cut the cord, not Premier. After Leupold became a non family owned company is when this all went down, copy right infringments, lawsuits and the like aside Leupold became a new company out only to please the board and share holders and the heck with a few that maybe not return customers because we can't get our boosted scopes repaired.
The erector spring has nothing to do with the boost. That booster is glued into the tube. Leupold for quite some time was taking care of the Premier boosted scopes as warranty. Someone there finally wised up and realized it was costing them a considerable amount of money to repair/change parts/scopes due to modifications performed by some one else (premier). Premier doesn't have trouble getting all the parts they need to build their scopes along with repair parts. It isn't that Premier can't repair the scopes, they aren't in the repair business. They sell their line of scopes and would be happy to sell one to you. We can't blame Leupold for refusing to repair their scopes that have been modified by another company.
JRS said:
The Premeir booster isn't causing the problem, it is an internal problem, Leupold and Premier were in agreement at the time these were modified, it's not like it was done in some back alley scope shop!
Leupold never repaired a Premier boosted scope before it went to Premeir FIRST, I still have the Premeir catalog from my last purchase from them in 2005, it clearly states the Warranty policy:
The original, lifetime Leupold scope warranty is not voided when Premier
Reticles installs reticles or target turrets. Should you have a problem with
the scope it should be returned to:
Leupold Repair department
14400 N.W. Greenbrier Pkwy
Beaverton, OR 97006
(503) 526-1400
All reticles installed by Premier Reticles in any Leupold scope carry our
lifetime warranty.
Any Leupold scope that we have power boosted or installed the Gen 2
Mil-dot has the lifetime Premier Reticle warranty. Because of the nature of
these conversions, if you should have a problem with the scope, it should
first be returned to Premier Reticles...not Leupold.
We will repair or replace, at our option, any scope returned to us for warranty
inspection. It will be returned to you by the most economical method.
Additional air shipping is at the customers expense.
Any scope or accessory may be returned (if unused/unmarked) with original
packaging for a refund/credit less shipping and tax. All returns are subject
to a 10% restocking fee and must be made with 30 days of invoice
date. All order discrepancies must be reported within 14 days of invoice
date. Non-standard or custom reticles are not refundable.
“Unused/unmarked†condition is subject to our inspection and approval. If
product is new and unused, it may be returned in exchange for purchase
price (less shipping) against another product.
So maybe Premier should honor their end of the deal because when the scope was purchased new things were rosie between them, I still have my reciepts, order paperwork, build sheets, boxes, etc.....
You are absolutely correct Mike. However, the problem isn't an internal problem, reticle problem, nor the manufactures problem. It is something unique to virtually all variable power scopes. There is more than one reason we used/use fixed power scopes on our military sniper rifles. The inherent POS in variable power scopes is unquestionable. March is the lone exception in this arena due to their methods of manufacture.
JRS
Lots of variables out on the Battlefield these days. After the IRAQ campaign started to see ALOT of 600 Yards and closer shooting, the Variable Telescope started to become more and more common place. I havnt seen one fixed power scope all year in the Stan. Not one. One big dif between youall and big green, they have deep pockets and alot of tech support so they can replace and check them often if needed. A trip across the street to the MCB you will see the new Marine telescope is now a Variable as well as Army and Navy.
No dog in this fight ( err discusion) and my comments are not intended to be of a disrespectful manner of anykind.
Just and observation of current equipment of the formentioned Military Sniper Rifles.
RussT
Lots of variables out on the Battlefield these days. After the IRAQ campaign started to see ALOT of 600 Yards and closer shooting, the Variable Telescope started to become more and more common place. I havnt seen one fixed power scope all year in the Stan. Not one. One big dif between youall and big green, they have deep pockets and alot of tech support so they can replace and check them often if needed. A trip across the street to the MCB you will see the new Marine telescope is now a Variable as well as Army and Navy.
No dog in this fight ( err discusion) and my comments are not intended to be of a disrespectful manner of anykind.
Just and observation of current equipment of the formentioned Military Sniper Rifles.
RussT
"Once you have your scope set at a given magnification, leave it there. When you change the power setting during a string, you can rest assured, POI is going to change. It is the nature of a variable power scope, period."
Not true. That is true only for a second focal plane reticle. That is the exact reason I use only first focal plane scopes now. I discovered this problem while hunting prairie dogs at 500 - 600 yards. I was hitting them fine when using the scope at the max zoom of 40x where I had sighted it in, but the scope clarity was not very good there. Any time I zoomed down a little to clear up the sight picture, I couldn't hit anything. I checked it out on the range when I got home and the bullets were hitting a foot lower at 500 yards when zoomed back. I then proceeded to check all of my other scopes and found the problem to exist on all of them to some degree, although the Nightforce was very good. That's when I switched to FFP scopes. No such problem exists with ANY of the several FFP scopes I have bought since then. The Schmidt & Bender PMII 12-50X is SWEET, and dead on at any zoom. If I have a friend/spotter with me, I can use it at 50X magnification at 1000 yards. If I don't have a spotter to call the adjustments, I zoom back to 12 - 15x so I can see my own impact points. The dogs are very tiny at that magnification, but one can still hit them with the S&B.
Not true. That is true only for a second focal plane reticle. That is the exact reason I use only first focal plane scopes now. I discovered this problem while hunting prairie dogs at 500 - 600 yards. I was hitting them fine when using the scope at the max zoom of 40x where I had sighted it in, but the scope clarity was not very good there. Any time I zoomed down a little to clear up the sight picture, I couldn't hit anything. I checked it out on the range when I got home and the bullets were hitting a foot lower at 500 yards when zoomed back. I then proceeded to check all of my other scopes and found the problem to exist on all of them to some degree, although the Nightforce was very good. That's when I switched to FFP scopes. No such problem exists with ANY of the several FFP scopes I have bought since then. The Schmidt & Bender PMII 12-50X is SWEET, and dead on at any zoom. If I have a friend/spotter with me, I can use it at 50X magnification at 1000 yards. If I don't have a spotter to call the adjustments, I zoom back to 12 - 15x so I can see my own impact points. The dogs are very tiny at that magnification, but one can still hit them with the S&B.
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