Precision Loading on Dillon 650 issues, with bumping Shoulder. Help needed.

[ireload2]

You really need a good single stage press. That is the simplest solution looking into the future 20 to 30 years.

 

[Richard Coody]

I suggest you find the proper sizing point as is done in this Wheeler Accuracy video. It requires you to remove the firing pin and the ejector. I do this on my guns and it really works well.

Others have stated ways to get more sizing on your Dillon if you need it. Whatever you do, it needs to allow the bolt to drop freely when closed. Once you have the setup done, have all those dies in a spare toolhead, so you never have to adjust them again. Tool heads are cheap, I recommend one for each caliber which you load.

beautiful video of a custom drop port action. I like it.

wish people would understand that you do not need to set up your sizing die for a shoulder bump until it is fully fireformed. the video shows the best way but even without stripping the bolt you can feel the resistance of a fired case that needs bumping. if you don't feel that resistance then the brass is not ready to bump. if you set up your die to bump brass that doesn't need it then your measurements will never be right and brass life will suffer.

 

[Erud]

You really need a good single stage press. That is the simplest solution looking into the future 20 to 30 years.

Why?

 

[ireload2]

Because it is a simple tool used for simple processes.
Many of the posts on the internet would not exist except for people who cannot solve their own progressive problems.
So why not?

Why?

 

[Erud]

Because it is a simple tool used for simple processes.
Many of the posts on the internet would not exist except for people who cannot solve their own progressive problems.
So why not?

I don’t know that simplicity by itself is much of an argument to use one thing over another. A bicycle is much simpler than a car, but I’m willing to bet that you put a lot more miles on your car than your bike. A progressive press has a lot of upside that has nothing to do with simplicity.

At any rate, it doesn’t even sound like there is a problem with his press, just a misunderstanding of fire forming of new brass.

 

[ireload2]

You might want to read a million more posts from the helpless guys that cannot manage their progressive presses.
Simplicity is the root of most learning. How many people can repair every single module and system on a new car? Just about none.
How many could keep a 1950s car running? Many could and did.
No power steering, no AC, no power brakes, no auto trans...
There are about a billion bike riders in China that will never own a car.

The progressive also has its share of downside too. I have owned a 450 about 35 years.
It can offer speed and boredom and not much else. There is no progressive that will do all the forming that I do.

I don’t know that simplicity by itself is much of an argument to use one thing over another. A bicycle is much simpler than a car, but I’m willing to bet that you put a lot more miles on your car than your bike. A progressive press has a lot of upside that has nothing to do with simplicity.

At any rate, it doesn’t even sound like there is a problem with his press, just a misunderstanding of fire forming of new brass.

 

[Erud]

I assume you have a 1950’s car as your daily driver then?

I think you are missing the important point here; this guy’s issue is not related to his press. His brass is not fully fire formed yet. He would be having the same problem with any press. So why tell him to get a new press?

 

[ireload2]

You don't really know if his brass is fire formed or not.
It is a simple matter to use any fired brass or even unfired brass to set his die if the shell holder/plate is the right thickness.

All you have to do is expand the neck straight and then size it back until the bolt will close on it with a light drag.

But. you are missing the point. Given time and the changes over many years he will find that his 650 sucks for many applications. He can fight it and he can continue asking others to solve his problems. If he develops other reloading interests he will never out grow the need for a single stage loader.
I assume you can repair your computer controlled fuel injection, ABS and traction control systems?

I assume you have a 1950’s car as your daily driver then?

I think you are missing the important point here; this guy’s issue is not related to his press. His brass is not fully fire formed yet. He would be having the same problem with any press. So why tell him to get a new press?