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Prazi Press Part Deux...

Gentlemen,
As you may remember some months back I expressed an interest in a beautiful reloading press made by a small CNC company in Germany. There was a lot of commentary back and forth... The following video largely sealed the case of the press for me, however, I would be curious what the membership thinks as the owners disregarded my "pass on the deal" and are now looking to complete the order.

You will find this is rather poorly done review(technically) of the press done in Germany, however, it HINTS at some serious design flaws that some in the original discussion hit upon:

The press IS NOT mounted on a proper bench but the equivalent of a kitchen table. I realize that. It actually made this an easier problem to diagnose.

1. Watch the entire review, however, turn up your computer's sound and listen carefully at roughly 3:59. I think we are hearing the first racking of the press and binding of the shell carrier plate(for lack of a better term) as it is forced home. You can hear the primers in the primer cup vibrating rather loudly AND a groan.

2. 4:21 shell carrier plate binds altogether and actually fails to return to lower battery.

3. 4:39 again the shell carrier plate binds and we hear the chatter and primer in primer catch cup rattle.

How many of your have EVER heard a Co-Ax make any noise with the primers in the catch cup other than dropping a spent primer?

There is only so much that can be derived from this poorly done video. Granted if it were mounted on the 3/8 Aluminum Plate on top of my 3.5" solid oak laminate bench top this may never have come to the surface. However THANKFULLY it did... It exposed a weakness in the press that not one Cast $100 Press in the US would duplicate irrespective of mounting method.

It strikes me as a beautifully machined, executed, but flawed design. Anyone else have any thoughts on what we are seeing and hearing?


Regards, Matt.

fwiw, I've run this past a mechanical engineer who is friend and a gentleman who may comment on this post(and he may not), however, there is a general consensus on the lack of rigidity and racking. Also notice the rather shallow bushing on either side of the press ram. Another feature that does not dissuade racking...
 
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The good news is , you're not obligated to buy one? Lol.

Seriously though , given enough scrutinization wouldn't all inventions be susceptible to improvements? Granted i see your point in that at it's price range it should very well be a turn key rolls royce.
 
The good news is , you're not obligated to buy one? Lol.

Seriously though , given enough scrutinization wouldn't all inventions be susceptible to improvements? Granted i see your point in that at it's price range it should very well be a turn key rolls royce.

Patch,
No, legally I am not obligated to buy one. The owners view the whole arrangement in a different light however...

Regards, Matt.
 
Hi Matt,

A little confused. The maker still wants you to pay rather than return?

It looks like a Ferrari to me. A few rattles but you want one.

The "binding" as I see it is totally dry bearing surfaces. All three of those bronze bushings need some form of lube.

If you don't want it and the maker doesn't want it back, PM me to discuss.
 
I wonder if the moaning noise is from lack of lubrication? Something as simple as that?
Also I'm guessing the operator did not lower the ram completely because of his own choice?
 
I believe the chattering you're hearing is from lack of conventional lubrication as others have stated, even though the manufacturer's literature states that it isn't needed (embedded lubricant). Something else to note: depending on the manufacturer's clearances between the bushings and guide pins, the shell plate's bushings and outer 2 guide pins could be binding when the press is loaded from sizing and withdrawing a case from the die. If the manufacturer held the clearances between the bushings and pins less than the flex induced to the die plate during sizing, there will be some binding present.
 
Gentlemen,
I don't know why it has taken THIS LONG to get this point across regarding my concerns, however, the issue is NOT lubrication according to Christian. The press shown was one of the first 50 made. They have since corrected a number of issues with the design and there is no longer a problem as shown in the first video...

Why THIS took 6-8 weeks to mention in an e-mail has me perplexed...

Christian is addressing the issue as speak...


Regards, Matt.
 
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