Powder comparison - Reloader 23 vs ??

[Bbear]

I picked up a pound of Re 23 back when powders were hard to find. I tried it in a couple of rifles - 25-06 and a 30-06 but found better loads.
I've tried to find a burn rate chart that shows similar powders but it seems there isn't really one (or more) out there to find.

Any idea about where on the burn rate this powder falls?

 

[74Bronco]

 

[Yote Hunter]

With identical charges in my 284 Shehane shooting 162 gr and 180 gr bullets and 22-250 Ackley shooting 75 and 80 gr bullets it gives approximately 100 more FPS than H 4831 SC. So in that respect it appears to be a faster burn rate than 4831 but no pressure signs so evidently the pressure curve is different and is a high energy powder. Very temperature insensitive powder and appears to be a better version of Reloader 22. Great velocities and accuracy with no excessive pressures in these cartridges.

 

[74Bronco]

This may help also, I STOLE this from another thread so dont give me credit lol

 

[ShootDots]

74Bronco, in your "pilfered" LOL burn rate list you obtained from another thread, you have listed RL-23 as a tad slower than H4831. I have burned literally TONS of H4831 and a fair amount of RL-23. I can tell you that in virtually every application I have used it in, it is FASTER than H4831. I like it better than H4831, it produces MORE velocity, it is much better in lot-to-lot consistency and it is definitely more temp stable. However, it does NOT burn as clean and it is faster burning..I realize what Alliant states, however, I can't figure out why they state that! I have used it in everything from a 6 x 47 Lapua up to and including a 7mm SAUM>>>it is NOT slower burning.

 

[74Bronco]

Burn rate is not a indicator of velocity, slower powders will and can achieve greater velocity then a fast powder depending on bullet weight, barrel length, overbore of cartridge etc. Im just passing on the info, r26 is actually a very slow powder yet it will achieve amazing velocities in a 243 with 100gr to 115gr pills

 

[ShootDots]

Burn rate is not a indicator of velocity, slower powders will and can achieve greater velocity then a fast powder depending on bullet weight, barrel length, overbore of cartridge etc. Im just passing on the info, r26 is actually a very slow powder yet it will achieve amazing velocities in a 243 with 100gr to 115gr pills

Believe me, I know what you are saying. Burn rate has nothing to do with velocity of an appropriate cartridge for the powder. All I am saying is, is that Alliant says RL-23 is slower than RL-22. RL-22 is a half shade slower than H4831. So it would stand to reason that if Alliant is correct, then RL-23 should be "somewhat" slower burning in the same application as H4831. However, in practice, at least in my experience, RL-23 is a bit faster than H4831, so be careful if you are using it in place of either RL-22 or H4831..

 

[74Bronco]

Im pretty much only running a few powders now that cover all my needs, v100h, h1000, v160&165, r26 and 7828

 

[Milo 2.0]

Believe me, I know what you are saying. Burn rate has nothing to do with velocity of an appropriate cartridge for the powder. All I am saying is, is that Alliant says RL-23 is slower than RL-22. RL-22 is a half shade slower than H4831. So it would stand to reason that if Alliant is correct, then RL-23 should be "somewhat" slower burning in the same application as H4831. However, in practice, at least in my experience, RL-23 is a bit faster than H4831, so be careful if you are using it in place of either RL-22 or H4831..

Not to butt in, but in my opinion, because of QL, and usage of powders throughout the spectrum of cases, we will never see a burn rate chart again.
Edit: I did indeed mean to butt in, lol

 

[1shot]

In both my 6SLR and 284 Shehane, the charge weights are identical between H-4831sc and RL23. However RL23 is about 90 fps faster in both cartridges. This verifies that what Ben says is accurate.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

 

[rardoin]

In both my 6SLR and 284 Shehane, the charge weights are identical between H-4831sc and RL23. However RL23 is about 90 fps faster in both cartridges. This verifies that what Ben says is accurate.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

Same here in a 6.5 x55 Imp......about .6-.8+gr less RL-23 than H4831sc for the same velocity in current barrels.

 

[1shot]

Same here in a 6.5 x55 Imp......about .6-.8+gr less RL-23 than H4831sc for the same velocity in current barrels.

That makes sense since I’m shooting moly coated bullets. I always forget to mention that.
Lloyd

 

[357Mag]

Bear -

Howdy!

While I had been shooting both RL-22 and IMR7828 in my “DEEP 6 “ wildcat ( case capacity 51 .2gr H2O ), I wanted to go w/ a temperature insensitive powder.

Rl-23 was introduced w/ a burn rate positioned between that of RL-22 and IMR 7828; so.....I gave some a try under the new 95gr “tipped” MK’s

First, some sample powder bulk densities:
VV-165 14.49
IMR7828 13.73
RL-23 13.04

While I had hoped RL-23 charges would give higher load density than use of RL-22 did, that was not quite the case.

Shooting the 95T-MK from a 29” SS 1-8 5 groove, max charge of RL-23
( based on case head expansion measurement ) was 41.5gr .
This....compared to my standard load of 41.7gr RL-22 w/ 95MK, and
41.8gr IMR7828 under the same 95MKs.

I used FED Large Magnum Rifle Match for all loads.

In my 6mm wildcat.....41.5gr RL-23 does fill the case nearly full, but not quite as well as RL-22 does, or IMR7828.... which fills the case completely; w/ still safe pressure.

More range testing to follow, as I do really want to use a less temp sensitive powder and still have great accuracy.

I don’t know if this helps, any?


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Bbear]

Thinking of trying this along with some 4451 and H4831 in a 256 Newton. Case capacity on this old warhorse is 59.2 gr of water. Y'all have answered my question. I was hoping it was in the same area as 4451 and 4831. Now all I have to do is figure out where to start!