Powder and primer sources
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Check mid south, I know for varget, there getting a large shipment on the 19th, i went ahead and backordared it. I can only assume that will be a large hodgen order, not just varget
I bought the last 2 jars of 4350 that I could find in my town today.
Bass Pro in Rossford OH had 1 jar of 4831sc on the self.
join the other thousands of reloaders in the same boat.
Check tgss.
Check tgss.
I'm trying to understand this so-called shortage. Did CCI and Federal and the others just stop making primers? Is some other country buying all they make? Is the government stockpiling reloading supplies? I can't believe the greedy "hoarders" can overwhelm the manufacturing capability of these companies. Isn't it the entrepreneurial thing to do to put on a second and/or third shift, hike the price a bit, and make primers by the millions. What better situation to be in than to double or triple your output and smile all the way to the bank. Why in the world should there be a shortage? Same for powder and ammo. Who's buying it all? Can the hoarders outstrip the production capability of the manufacturers? Supposedly the military is cutting back, too, freeing up some production capacity. I just don't get it.
I just bought 1000 215M primers at my local Sportsman's Warehouse. And 500 Berger 105 Hybrids at Bruno's up in N Phoenix. And 1000 Hornady 105 AMax are on their way from MO. I do need 3 pounds of H4831sc to balance out my stock of powder, primers, and bullets. But I don't have to have it right away.
I don't haunt gun shops much but found & purchased the following in the last two days
5 lbs H4350
4 lbs Benchmark
3000 CCI-450 primers
600 Hdy 6mm 75gr vmax
Midway also had a box of 500 qty 108 grain Berger target bullets so those are on their way as well. Not hoarding, just making sure of my supply to prep for PD season.
I was surprised to see this stuff on the shelf but bought it at pre-panic prices.
5 lbs H4350
4 lbs Benchmark
3000 CCI-450 primers
600 Hdy 6mm 75gr vmax
Midway also had a box of 500 qty 108 grain Berger target bullets so those are on their way as well. Not hoarding, just making sure of my supply to prep for PD season.
I was surprised to see this stuff on the shelf but bought it at pre-panic prices.
ReedG said:
Reed, "Greedy Hoarders"??? You wouldn't be talking about those folks that were smart enough to see the hand writing on the wall and planned ahead or you? VS those that have no plan and just expect there will always be stuff for them to buy, and if there's not well they can blame the Smart "Greedy Hoarders".
Count me into that plan ahead group...
Roland
Roland: Thank you for the key words: "planned ahead". We probably think alike. I maintain a certain level of supply of all needed components & when I see that level dropping, it is replaced. For the past 2 years, since the last "crisis", when everything was readily available, I bought a little "extra" knowing there would be another to follow and here it is again. And the cycle will continue. If some call it "hoarding", so be it. I'm the one responsible for my life, not you, meaning someone who labels others as a "hoarder".
During the 2008/2010 shortages I had a friend tell me he needed a particular powder. I found it for him locally, told him where it was available, and he bought------------ ? a 1# can. I know there were at least 6 on the shelf. 4 weeks later he's again complaining he ran out of the same powder. Duh!
It is a fact that the average grocery store will run out of everything in 2 to 3 days, when there is an emergency like a hurricaine, severe flooding, etc., and gun shops and reloading suppy outlets are no different. It's called supply and demand and in these cases, demand far outstrips supply.
During the 2008/2010 shortages I had a friend tell me he needed a particular powder. I found it for him locally, told him where it was available, and he bought------------ ? a 1# can. I know there were at least 6 on the shelf. 4 weeks later he's again complaining he ran out of the same powder. Duh!
It is a fact that the average grocery store will run out of everything in 2 to 3 days, when there is an emergency like a hurricaine, severe flooding, etc., and gun shops and reloading suppy outlets are no different. It's called supply and demand and in these cases, demand far outstrips supply.
After I get another 3 pounds of H4831sc I will have a year's supply of components. My plan going forward is to buy another year's supply of components when I get down to 6 months' worth. In theory, that will give me 6 months to accumulate that year's supply.
Since I live in a motorhome, it just isn't prudent to accumulate any more than a year's supply.
Since I live in a motorhome, it just isn't prudent to accumulate any more than a year's supply.
Larryh128
Silver $$ Contributor
It isn't that the primer manufacturers aren't pumping them out, they are but because of the obvious quality control issues associated with producing primers, powder & ammo, they can only make so much per shift. The demand is simply overtaking the supply AGAIN. Any price increases are due to the people in the middle of the chain. Manufacturers set their 2013 prices in about August of 2012.
effendude
Gold $$ Contributor
I know we'd all like to think the world revolves us shooters who reload our own ammo but if anyone thinks that primers are a main product of the manufacturing focus of compoanies like ATK (Federal, CCI), Remington or Winchester, they need to wake up. Excess inventory not used in the production of loaded ammo is sold as reloading components. All of the primers sold for reloading by ATK is a mere drop in the bucket of their production numbers. I sure the other manufacturers are the same.
I know several friends who work at the nearby Federal main plant here in MN. The plant has been going 24/7 for years now with no end in sight. Talking to some of these guys about 6 years ago, the topic of ammo production came up. At that time, ~2006, they told me that if a dealer or wholesale house order a pallet of even the bargain Federal American Eagle .223 FMJ ammo, delivery would be over a year after the order was placed. I don't know how many rounds of ammo are in a pallet, but that type of demand for finished ammo has only risen in the last 7 years.
These days, if you don't plan ahead, you will suffer the consequences of your inactions.
Scott
I know several friends who work at the nearby Federal main plant here in MN. The plant has been going 24/7 for years now with no end in sight. Talking to some of these guys about 6 years ago, the topic of ammo production came up. At that time, ~2006, they told me that if a dealer or wholesale house order a pallet of even the bargain Federal American Eagle .223 FMJ ammo, delivery would be over a year after the order was placed. I don't know how many rounds of ammo are in a pallet, but that type of demand for finished ammo has only risen in the last 7 years.
These days, if you don't plan ahead, you will suffer the consequences of your inactions.
Scott
Roland, I'm cool with "planning ahead" and try to keep a season worth of supply at all times. I just don't understand why there's a shortage. What are you planning ahead for? Is the government going to ban reloading? I can see anyone getting an AR-15 and a few 30-round mags if that's their deal because there is at least some remote chance of those becoming hard to get. Berger match bullets or Federal match primers don't stand much of a chance of "going away" in any scenario that I know of.
There are posts alluding to the fact that VihtaVuori is "in trouble" because of the cutbacks in military buying. Where's all the ammo going that is using up all the primers? I can't imagine Federal produces much ammo with their small rifle match primers in it. Whatever their production of 205M's is, there should be a fairly steady supply.
I'm not accusing anyone, just trying to understand the "problem" and the need for hoarding or planning ahead, whichever you wish to call it. It seems that if the military is buying hundreds of millions fewer rounds and the primer manufacturers are still running 24/7 at full production, then where are the primers?
Must admit I'm starting to think like a "conspiracy theorist" ...
There are posts alluding to the fact that VihtaVuori is "in trouble" because of the cutbacks in military buying. Where's all the ammo going that is using up all the primers? I can't imagine Federal produces much ammo with their small rifle match primers in it. Whatever their production of 205M's is, there should be a fairly steady supply.
I'm not accusing anyone, just trying to understand the "problem" and the need for hoarding or planning ahead, whichever you wish to call it. It seems that if the military is buying hundreds of millions fewer rounds and the primer manufacturers are still running 24/7 at full production, then where are the primers?
Must admit I'm starting to think like a "conspiracy theorist" ...
Bradley Walker
ReedG said:
Believe it!!! When someone calls Powder Valley and buys 20K primers at once, then supplies dry up fast.... Everyone was well stocked before the panic, but with JIT logistics in place many places are going to sell their stock FAST when competition shooters show up with THOUSANDS of dollars to spend on components...
I mean think about it... Guys on here have more money in their switch barrels for their bench gun than I have in my truck... Spending a few grand at a whack on components is no big deal at all...
It's not manufacturing capabilities, it's the STOCK ON HAND... Believe me the hoarding will slow then there will be a glut...
Bradley Walker
Nomad47 said:
Bill's Guns in Claremore, OK has an eight pounder.
Just wanna know some estimated available for reloading components.
I have enough prepare all for the whole year due to prefer the same lot number for reloading components.
The problems was about my new rifle that on order and will got it on March. I doesn't have any components for reload .338 Lapua Magnum. So, need some info about powders for .338 Lapua Magnum.
Which types should I order?
H1000
Retumbo
N160
N170
N560
N570
I have enough prepare all for the whole year due to prefer the same lot number for reloading components.
The problems was about my new rifle that on order and will got it on March. I doesn't have any components for reload .338 Lapua Magnum. So, need some info about powders for .338 Lapua Magnum.
Which types should I order?
H1000
Retumbo
N160
N170
N560
N570
TheOtherZilla
Pull my finger
Hmm. I was in Sportsman's Denver Yesterday and primers, bullets and powder was in short supply. Very few 224 bullets, no small rifle primers and powder was low.. The week before I was in SLC and pretty much the same thng. Gallensons had primers, but they were like $50/1000 for Small rifle bench and $40/1000 for Small rifle.. They had more bullets than sportsmans but none that I use in 224 or 204. No brass in 223/204 either..
ReedG said:
Reed,
I will comment in a PM.
Roland
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