Pix of primer disks

[lrgoodger]

I decline to lower myself to flame war status (if I was going to, I'd let bigedp51 do it for me - he's the best!), but here is proof that the primer disks exist. I looked through twenty thousand or more spent primers and only found evidence of the disk on three. Usually they are incinerated when the primer fires, but I have had disks survive whole and fall out with the anvil. You are all doing your part for the environment and recycling your spent primers, right? I have about ten pounds from the last couple of years, and I've been reloading for a LOT more than four years. It was just four years before I noticed the disks.

Now, the disks became obvious when I cracked open new boxes of various primer brands as these photos show, but they are not there on Federal primers (at least I can't distinguish them). I have to take back my statement that the disks are embedded in the primer compound because they are easily visible between the compound and the anvil on every brand I have except the Federal match primers (which I use the most of).

It's hard to get good, clear photos because of file size limitations on this site, but you can clearly see the yellow disks in the closeup of the CCI primers. The disks are wrinkled on the edges of the upper two and that makes them easy to see. I don't know what they are made of and I don't know what purpose they server, but I do know they exist! Anyone can confirm it by opening a box of the shown brands and looking for themselves.

 

[bigedp51]

I decline to lower myself to flame war status (if I was going to, I'd let bigedp51 do it for me - he's the best!),

You decline to lower your self to flame war status but you flame the guy staying out of the argument???

Your statement is totally Oxymoron and creating a paradox, are you related to fguffey?

As long as the primer goes bang, is all that matters.

P.S. Your a flaming idiot.

Signed
Attila the Hun

 

[lrgoodger]

I love you too, Big Ed! I'll bet you are really a nice guy behind all that bluster. So now hammer me again!

 

[JRS]

Thanks for the report

 

[CatShooter]

It's hard to get good, clear photos because of file size limitations on this site, but you can clearly see the yellow disks in the closeup of the CCI primers. The disks are wrinkled on the edges of the upper two and that makes them easy to see. I don't know what they are made of and I don't know what purpose they server, but I do know they exist! Anyone can confirm it by opening a box of the shown brands and looking for themselves.

Uhhh...

The "disks" you are not showing, are the priming compound... so they are never there after the primer has been fired.

 

[JRS]

The short version:

"Formed on the priming mixture is a very thin, but compact wafer which gives it a very firm shape, protects it against crumbling and prevents fungoid growth. Though reasonably water tight, it does not protect completely against the gradual drying out of the surface that forms very fine cracks".

Edit: One of the U.S. manufacturers uses a "propriety surface coating" to protect the priming compound. Care to guess which company it is

 

[bigedp51]

I love you too, Big Ed! I'll bet you are really a nice guy behind all that bluster. So now hammer me again!

Dear LRGoodger

You were so frustrated with being wrong in the "Primer Anvil" posting you started this post on the same subject and you are still wrong. I didn't post anything in the "Primer Anvil" posting because so much fecal debris was being posted by you and others.

Your poor quality photos in this posting prove NOTHING other than you know nothing about primers. And you also know nothing about close up macro photography and how to edit, crop and reduce the photo size. :

Below is proof the primer disk does "NOT" exist.

Please note LRGoodger the primer image below is the same primer in the photo above and it has been cropped and resized.
And both of these photos have no problems with file size limitations so please show the forum members the "yellow primer disks" in the photo below. :

P.S. Next time leave me out of your stupidity and then the forum members reading this won't find out how little you actually know about primers and photography.

And the only thing that really matters is that the primer goes "BANG" when hit by the firing pin.

 

[lrgoodger]

Awesome! I knew you could prove my point, Big Ed. That photo is fantastic. The yellow part IS the disk. I added an arrow to the photo where the disk is wrinkled slightly and rising above the primer compound, just as it is in my CCI photo. I'll bet if you used a jeweler's visor so you could see as good as the camera and put the tip of a needle under that edge and watch it flex, you could even prove it to yourself!

You're the greatest. Thanks for helping out.

 

[lrgoodger]

Inspired by Big Ed, here is a closeup of my own CCI primer (the third one from the bottom in my original CCI photo) showing obvious wrinkles in the yellow primer disk between each leg of the anvil.

Point proven by me and Big Ed!

 

[JRS]

;D

Inspired by Big Ed, here is a closeup of my own CCI primer (the third one from the bottom in my original CCI photo) showing obvious wrinkles in the yellow primer disk between each leg of the anvil.

Point proven by me and Big Ed!

Oh my :-X ;D

 

[GrocMax]

I always thought that little paper (or whatever it is) wafer was how they got the anvil to stick to the primer body and stay put prior to being pressed in. Like a little double sided adhesive disk, color coded to primer type.

 

[BenPerfected]

Is it going to effective my accuracy if anyone is right or wrong? Just wondering if I should give a s_ _ _. I am still worrying about the best combination of neck tension, seating depth, powder charge, bullet type, weight and the multiple combinations of each😀

 

[bigedp51]

As much as I hate to admit it JRS and LRGoodger are correct about the paper/foil disk. :'(

I just got done dissecting a Remington, CCI and Winchester primers while using clip on magnifiers for my glasses, hooded magnifiers and a jewelers eye loop.

1. The CCI and Remington primers have a fiber disk approximately twice the thickness of tissue paper.
2. The Winchester primers had a extremely thin foil disk.
3. Lacquer or shellac is used as a binder and sealant

Below the military print for the CCI No.34 primer showing disk and note 2 saying shellac is to be used as a binder and sealant. Also note the cup is thicker on the bottom and the anvil is shorter than normal.

I was going to tell LRGoodger to pound sand until I looked at the print below and then dissected the primers with artificial bionic eyes. :

The Godfather: Part III (1990)
Michael Corleone: "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in".

P.S. JRS and LRGoodger, I hope you both die with your balls under a big rock. (at least three tons in weight)

Have a nice day.

Signed
Attila the Hun

 

[bigedp51]

Uhhh...

The "disks" you are not showing, are the priming compound... so they are never there after the primer has been fired.

That's another fine mess you've gotten me into CatShooter!

P.S. Boyd Allen, please note the Scottish benchrest rifles above. :

 

[lrgoodger]

I knew I could count on Big Ed. In addition to being self assured, vociferous, articulate, dauntless, and jocose, he is methodical, logical, inquisitive, pretty dang smart (I almost said brilliant but thought better of it) and a philosopher. Maybe that's why I enjoy his posts even when he is condescending, obnoxious, haughty, despicable and just plain wrong! (which is rare)

The best thing about this forum is there is always someone who can get it right! Thanks Accurate Shooter for providing us a place to share knowledge.

 

[BoydAllen]

Ed,
Cute picture. Are you the one on the left, or the right?

 

[Raythemanroe]

Primer disks Importance to me 0%, Entertainment value from reading post gets two thumbs up..


Ray

 

[JRS]

Very encouraging to witness you "cowboy-up", biged

 

[bigedp51]

Ed,
Cute picture. Are you the one on the left, or the right?

I'm the extremely good looking, brilliant, and modest one with a warped sense of humor who admitted he was wrong.

And I hope that no good rotten (expletive deleted) commie pinko pervert CatShooter reads this posting.

 

[bigedp51]

Very encouraging to witness you "cowboy-up", biged

I was sucked into a argument I wanted no part of by that low life (expletive deleted) LRGoodger.

But Dr. Ed got to dissect a few live primers and not blow his fingers off and learned something.

And all the other forum members got to see a few hard headed intransient members argue about something they don't give a rats a$$ about. :

As long as the primer goes bang is all that matters.

And I'm in a very good mood because the little brown truck is dropping off a MagnetoSpeed Sporter on Saturday. And then I will be able to test all my Enfield rifles and report the findings here at Accurate Shooter.

(after reading this Boyd Allen will break into a cold sweat and wonder what this forum is turning into)