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'Pillar' bedding a Savage 99 project

AlNyhus

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Well...here's something completely different. My good pal Randy Robinett has been on the lookout for a decent shooter grade Savage 99 in 250 Savage for quite a while. He recently snagged one complete with a period correct Weaver steel tube K6 and started right in on shooting it. Long story short, he got the thing shooting honest 3 shot groups under the magical 1" mark...a heck of an accomplishment for a gun like this with a two piece stock. In our conversations, we started talking about how these guns tend to crack the butt stocks behind the rear tang since that and the lower receiver cut are what the factory uses as the recoil bearing surface. The stock on this gun was perfect in those areas, giving more creedence to the fact that it hadn't been shot much. One thing led to another and pretty soon we decided to see how much, if any, tweaking the 'bedding' could help. Looking back, I think R.G. sucked me into this project because he knows I'm a sucker for any orphan gun and "That will never work!" type of stuff...Randy coined that phrase, by the way! ;)

The original attachment method for the butt stock uses a long, flat blade screwdriver slotted 5/16" bolt with a washer that sits against a ledge. Not a lot of purchase or load bearing area and being wood, it compresses over time...more on that later. The agreed-upon approach was to fit a pillar into the stock. First, I enlarged the 5/16" hole to 3/8" using a long drill bit. Then, with a 3/8 '" pilot in my 3/4" counter bore and a long drill bit extension, enlarged the hole in the stock to 3/4" all the way into the area where the lower receiver butts against the stock. This had to be done in sections as the hard walnut would build a fair amount of heat in the counter bore.

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Made the pillar from some 3/4" 6061 T6 round. The undercut areas are of different diameter to help hold as much of the bedding compound as possible in each area as it made it's long trip down the stock. One end is cut with a 11/16" end mill to match the curve of the receiver. When epoxied in the pillar was backed up about .075 to allow a good amount of bedding material between the pillar and the receiver.

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Test fitting.

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The stock bolt is 5/16" but it's a goofy 22 TPI thread. The 22 tpi was 'standard' on lots of British stuff but the British 22 tpi is a 55 degree pitch. This Savage uses a normal 60 degree pitch. I cut the 5/16X22 tpi threads on a shortened 5/16" shank bolt and also on a piece of 5/16" solid rod to use as a guide rod for installing the pillar.

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Allowed the pillar to set up for 48 hours, then did the bedding. The guide rod did double duty as it gave me something to rap on to free the receiver from the stock. Hopefully.....:eek:

Here it is as it came apart, prior to clean up. You can see where the little 'shelf' of the rear of the receiver was bedded also. I shortened the area of stock ahead of the 'shelf' as the operating lever was rubbing on it.

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The next area was the fore end. Randy had discovered that the original screw was stripped and only a couple of threads were holding it. It mounts to a spud dovetailed into the barrel with some pitifully small 8-40 threads. The cause of the issue was that the hole in the fore end was positioned too far forward from the factory by about .090 so the screw went in at an angle. Here's a rough idea how far it was off.

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I taped the fore end up to minimize any damage to the checkering and using an old trick Stan Ware taught me, put some heavy wax on a new 3/8" plunge cut end mill, centered it on the mill bed and went down in there. It did nick a couple of spots but overall, not too bad. Figuring it needed a bit of old school panache, I did the screw escutcheon from brass. Randy had supplied me with a new factory fore end screw.

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Unfortunately, the threads in the barrel spud were really loose and in the end, I cut down a shoulder bolt and threaded it a bit oversize in an attempt to tighten up the fit.

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The barrel spud. In the second pic, you can see a little rubber insulator I put over the spud to act as a vibration insulator. Between the bottom of the spud and the fore end screw recess, there's some soft rubber washers to eliminate any hard contact. I stacked some up until there was a small. amount of barrel clearance. This extra clearance made the longer fore end screw necessary.

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There's about .015 clearance around the top tang now. The lower receiver carries all the load and transfers it to the pillar and stock.

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Outwardly, it still looks relatively untouched. Did it make it any more accurate? Heck...Randy had it shooting better than any Savage 99 has a right to before it came to me......for all I know, I may have made it worse! It's been fun to work with Randy on this project...we both have enough 'twisted sister' in us to enjoy this kind of weird stuff. :)

A classic-cool rifle in every respect that will get back into the field in Randy's hands and account for quite a few more deer...just like what it was designed for! :cool:

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Great work on a classic rifle. I've avoided several at good prices over the years due to having the type of damage you are preventing. Thanks for the report!
 
That is cool, I was never too interested in those but passed up a decent 300 a few years back for $350 and kicked myself ever since. One in 250 would be even cooler.
 
That is a very well thought out and executed job and will undoubtedly prevent any chance of stock spitting.
Probably the neatest method of mounting a fore arm on the barrel, that I have seen, is the spring loaded block used by Martin Hagn on his single shots. WH
 
Firstly, job well done!
Question. That looks like a later model 99 as in, after the 250-3000 chambering was discontinued. Is the gun original?
It appears that this IS all original. Per a 1970 Savage catalog (pics included), the original 99-C/detachable magazine was offered only in .243; .284 (bet those are scarce); .308, for a whopping $156.00!:eek: An extra magazine was $4.75.:D The barrel [on this rifle] is marked MODEL 99CD SERIES A and inscribed Cal. 250 Sav., WESTFIELD, MASS. U.S.A. These attributes conform to a production date ranging 1975-76.

The December 1975 issue of GUNS & AMMO magazine features the Savage 99CD on the front cover: the tested/evaluated rifle was chambered in ".250 Savage" - the designation was changed [from .250/3000] along with the twist rate. The article states that the CD featured hand checkering, detachable "clip" (as Savage called it), recoil pad, sling, and detachable swivels. This rifle had everything but the sling and swivels . . . As Al stated, I purchased it to shoot - not to "collect", however, some validation of, "all original", is nice.;) I'll attempt to post some pics - some not so great.
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Interestingly, in the captions, the author, Howard E. French, falls back to calling it .250/3000, and plain 99 Savage . . . pretty forgivable references to an "old stand by" of an era.

I had wanted one of these, since, when, at age 16, a pal's father presented the lad a 99, .250/3000 as an early birthday gift prior to our first mule deer hunt - that was back when all 99's featured the rotary magazine.

More than just a smidge of Stan Ware rubbed off an Al - he not only did a masterful pillaring the 99, but also cured several mechanical quirks - the action works, "smooth as glass" now. I hope to shoot it some Thursday.

On a side note, which some may find interesting, from David Detsch, I acquired Clarence's (Davids father) personal .25 Caliber carbide point-dies (two of them, featuring somewhat differing noses/meplats). I believe that Clarence Detsch was the initial maker of carbide single cavity bullet swage dies . . . and also, as myself, a .25 Cal. fanatic.:D Enjoyment ahoy! RG
 
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Nice work on that one, it should keep shooting for a long time.

That is a nice rifle for the 250-3000 as it has a 1-10 twisted barrel where the early ones(rotary mag) had a 1-14 and the one I had was a 1-15, measured it numerous times when others wouldn't believe me. It did shoot well for a take down though.

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Suprisingly most 99's I've owned were pretty darn accurate if you fed them right.

I had a 1899B(octagon barrel) in 25-35 that would shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with a receiver sight on it, sold it off when my eyes went bad. Another in 300 Sav. that someone in the Seattle area rebarreled with an 03 Springfield barrel that would shoot to 3" at 300 yards with the receiver sight and 170gr Flatnose cast bullets. I killed a lot of $100 fox up in western MN in the 1970's with it. I did get to shoot a HB 22-250 Sav 99 that a fellow in Seattle built, always thought a shot out 22HP rebarreled to 219 Zipper would make a great coyote hunting gun.
 
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I bought a 99C in .243 a couple of years ago. Great idea on the pillar! I bought a 70's era 4x Weaver to throw on mine. Someday I will load up some ammo and see how it shoots.
 
Since AL pillar bedded the Sav 99CD/250 Savage, I've been shooting (usually) 3-shot groups at 100yd. with various powders, and 88Gr. FB bullets (made in a Clarence Detsch carbide die) at a full jam-seat, scanning for THE powder(s) worthy of snooping into specific charge-weight and seating-depth. All shooting, thus far, using the Weaver K6 which came with the rifle: @ 100 Yd., parallax is almost a full ring - I may, temporarily put a parallax adjustable scope of it . . . yep, I'm anal.

The bedding completely resolved the WILD first-shot fliers - those,usually were 2-3" high/right, between 1:00 & 3:00 O'clock. Via initial testing, with the same ammo parameters which threw the first shot, nothing has shot over 1.6" groups size, and most are 1" to 1.25". THE issue now, is taming the horrific trigger.:eek:

I have been able to shoot a group, sometimes 2 groups a day, or, every other day, as "things are upside-down" here, and time is at a premium - much of that due to my recent absence . . .

This project has been a re-learning experience - I had forgotten about case growth . . . and a few other undesirable "factory ("SAAMI spec) AMMO/chamber attributes.:D That said, thus far, the powder showing the most potential has been CFE223 (naturally, I have but a single pound of the stuff :p). I shot a 4-shot group, in which one "bad" case was included - just to see how far out it would go . . .
The group is just under 1.0" - way better than I expected a lever-action would produce - the two #1's is "old age" creeping up on me.:oops: The actual first shot is the low/left #1 - oh, NO wind flags could 'splain' some of the windage.;)

The target is a cut-out, of an "official" NBRSA 300Yd. score (Hunter/VfS) deal - the ring spacing is 3/4" - the [CFE223] hold was dead-center. Interestingly, & unexpectedly, all of the other powders grouped right around the ten-ring, with slight vertical variation, while IMR 8208XBR (the shot way down "in the red" - hold on red cross - the other three completely off the paper, and a 1.6" group) and the CFE223 both affected a pretty large POI shift. If this proves repeatable, it'll be more than useful for hunting - perhaps, BenchMark, H-322, or, the "ol reliable Brigadier 3032 will prove "magic".:) RG
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Here's how IMR 4166 fared - not too shabby. The top right is 6-shots: two 3-shot groups, a day apart, with dead-center hold. The X-dot is 3/16th", and the ten-ring 1.5". At bottom, going up to 37.0Gr./4166, went vertical. IMG_0969.jpeg
 
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